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JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2011, 01:49:59 PM »
And they dare call the SSPX a schismatic group just because
they want to practice the Catholic Religion as it was before
1965, and vatican 2.
To accept some of the practices of JP2 leads to the
corruption, and erosion of the Catholic Faith.

JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2011, 02:32:15 PM »
Quote from: Telesphorus
Why were the member of the other religions brought there?

To pray in their own respective religions - the purpose of bringing them there was for them to engage in their own worship.

There is no possible confusion about the Pope's intent.  It was to encourage non-Christian worship in a Catholic venue.


The stated purpose of Assisi was for leaders of world religions to come together to pray for peace. Please show where JPII called the Assisi meeting in order to encourage non-Christian worship in the Vatican.


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JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2011, 02:36:46 PM »
Quote from: stevusmagnus
Quote from: Telesphorus
Why were the member of the other religions brought there?

To pray in their own respective religions - the purpose of bringing them there was for them to engage in their own worship.

There is no possible confusion about the Pope's intent.  It was to encourage non-Christian worship in a Catholic venue.


The stated purpose of Assisi was for leaders of world religions to come together to pray for peace. Please show where JPII called the Assisi meeting in order to encourage non-Christian worship in the Vatican.


Who did they pray to stevus?

JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2011, 03:26:58 PM »
Just on how many topics must we debate this issue?

Can we keep it to this one or the one entitled, "Archbishop Lefebvre on Sedevacantism"?

It seems rather ridiculous to have stevusmagnus repeat his insanity here as well which then requires refutation lest anyone who only reads one of the topics be misled by his error.

JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting?
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2011, 03:58:59 PM »
A sort of overly sanguine view of "peace" began long before JPII, it began with Benedict XV.  

This is what he wrote after World War I, from Pacem, Dei Munus Pulcherrimum --

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14. All that We have said here to individuals about the duty of charity We wish to say also to the peoples who have been delivered from the burden of a long war, in order that, when every cause of disagreement has been, as far as possible, removed, and without prejudice to the rights of justice, they may resume friendly relations among themselves. The Gospel has not one law of charity for individuals, and another for States and nations, which are indeed but collections of individuals. The war being now over, people seem called to a general reconciliation not only from motives of charity, but from necessity; the nations are naturally drawn together by the need they have of one another, and by the bond of mutual good will, bonds which are today strengthened by the development of civilization and the marvellous increase of communication."


Yeah, tell that to Germany, I don't think they were so pleased by the "natural good will" of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles.  This just sounds like naive shilling for the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr then in the process of formation.  ( A Pope is not infallible with his political opinions! )  Perhaps he was carried away by those good vibes that always seem to follow a war, that make you think that things are getting better.

I notice when I pray from the Raccolta, I will sometimes be reading a prayer that will say something about the "human race" or "all humanity" and will kind of sound like a U.N. speech.  Inevitably, these prayers are from the time of Benedict XV and up.  If you gave me a blind taste-test, I could easily tell you which prayers are from Benedict XV and his successors, if you mixed them in with the prayers of earlier Popes.  

Therefore, praying for peace with those in false religions and being photographed doing so is a farther step along this road that had already begun a long time ago, the road of globalist good-vibes, of seduction by "progress" and by the march of events.  What seemed like progress, like it was inevitable, was really a giant conspiracy, a way to destroy the Old World, the rule of the monarchies.  The Popes since Pius X appear to have been sadly unaware of the sinister aspect of all this, and then when you get to Paul VI, the first 20th century "Pope" who is certainly a non-Pope, they're openly celebrating it.

I'm not sure Assisi is a huge plank in the sedevacantist position though, it's something that is shocking on the surface and feels horribly wrong, but it's not impossible that a true Pope could make such a mistake as to do what JPII did there.  However, it is impossible for the true Church to produce a faulty and heresy-ridden Magisterium.