Author Topic: JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting? (Read 7536 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #40 on:** March 02, 2011, 01:25:25 PM »

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Why were the member of the other religions brought there?

To pray in their own respective religions - the purpose of bringing them there was for them to engage in their own worship.

There is no possible confusion about the Pope's intent. It was to encourage non-Christian worship in a Catholic venue.

Ah, ok. Gotcha. :wink:

The stated purpose of Assisi was for leaders of world religions to come together to pray for peace. Please show where JPII called the Assisi meeting in order to encourage non-Christian worship in the Vatican.

Are you saying there was nothing wrong with the Assissi meetings?

NO! I'm not saying this at all. I'm saying we need to come up with intelligent reasoned criticisms of it to promote our cause. Embellishing facts, straining logic, overstating the case, calling names, makes us look ridiculous to the billions of Catholics who don't understand us.

My position on Assisi and the Society's are almost identical. It shows just how closed off from reality and extreme some in this forum are that they think I'm insane for taking an SSPX position and not jumping off the cliff claiming all sorts of radical conclusions based on fiction.

Ok, gotcha. :wink:

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #41 on:** March 02, 2011, 01:27:53 PM »

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as I said in another thread, during Assissi II he refused to offer Mass on Sunday so as "not to offend anyone".

Can you quote your source on this?

Yes. I got it from the book "Horn of the Unicorn" which deatails the life of Archbishop LeFebvre. Near the very end of the book it says JPII didn't offer Mass on Sunday so as not to offend anyone during Assissi II.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #42 on:** March 02, 2011, 05:25:15 PM »

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It will not be 3.5B, genius.

Sorry. 1.2 billion. Does that make you feel better? You just insulted 2.3 billion Catholics less than previously thought! But if there were 3.5 billion Catholics, you'd insult them too, so what does it really matter. Hell, add all the rest of the people of the world for that matter as they are all equally bound for Hell anyway, right?

It appears your desire to get your facts straight manifests itself in, shall we say, a less than consistent manner. Goodbye, stevus.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #43 on:** March 02, 2011, 08:28:26 PM »

Also have a look at this quote from Pius XI.

"Is it permitted for Catholics to be present at, or to take part in, conventions, gatherings, meetings, or societies of non-Catholics which aim to associate together under a single agreement everyone who, in any way, lays claim to the name of Christian? In the negative! ... It is clear, therefore, why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics. There is one way in which the unity of Christians may be fostered, and that is by furthering the return to the one true Church of Christ for those who are separated from Her." --Pope Pius XI

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #44 on:** March 02, 2011, 09:48:43 PM »

Not only does Pius XI answer in the negative, Mortalium animos makes it crystal clear that men who merely support those who arrange such meetings are doing something that he deems "tantamount (i.e., equivalent in value, significance, or effect) to abandoning the religion revealed by God." Well, like it or lump it, that IS the definition of apostasy.

Imagine what he would have said about Assisi and those responsible! He would not have said, "Oh, well it was not THAT bad...JP2 didn't actively participate in the worship the Great Thumb in union with Mr. John Pretty-on-Top, so it was, at worst, just scandalous..."

The Great Thumb, people! As with the Obamanator, we must ask: WTH would these men have to do to make it register that they are NOT what they pretend to be?