Author Topic: JPIIs "Mark of Shiva" Simply a Cultural Greeting? (Read 7316 times)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #30 on:** March 02, 2011, 10:12:44 AM »

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Why were the member of the other religions brought there?

To pray in their own respective religions - the purpose of bringing them there was for them to engage in their own worship.

There is no possible confusion about the Pope's intent. It was to encourage non-Christian worship in a Catholic venue.

The stated purpose of Assisi was for leaders of world religions to come together to pray for peace. Please show where JPII called the Assisi meeting in order to encourage non-Christian worship in the Vatican.

Are you saying there was nothing wrong with the Assissi meetings?

NO! I'm not saying this at all. I'm saying we need to come up with intelligent reasoned criticisms of it to promote our cause. Embellishing facts, straining logic, overstating the case, calling names, makes us look ridiculous to the billions of Catholics who don't understand us.

My position on Assisi and the Society's are almost identical. It shows just how closed off from reality and extreme some in this forum are that they think I'm insane for taking an SSPX position and not jumping off the cliff claiming all sorts of radical conclusions based on fiction.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #31 on:** March 02, 2011, 10:13:27 AM »

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Just on how many topics must we debate this issue?

Can we keep it to this one or the one entitled, "Archbishop Lefebvre on Sedevacantism"?

It seems rather ridiculous to have stevusmagnus repeat his insanity here as well which then requires refutation lest anyone who only reads one of the topics be misled by his error.

What is my "insanity"? Is the Society insane as well?

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #32 on:** March 02, 2011, 10:14:23 AM »

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as I said in another thread, during Assissi II he refused to offer Mass on Sunday so as "not to offend anyone".

Can you quote your source on this?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #33 on:** March 02, 2011, 10:27:18 AM »

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So?

So, he is participating, allowing non-Christians to offer worship in his presence, which he brought them there specifically to do.

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Where in the World Day of Prayer did he mention a one-world religion?

I didn't say he mentioned it, I said he participated in it by bringing them there to worship. If you bring members of different religions together each to pray to their Gods that is endorsement of a one world religion. I doubt Sillon members openly spoke of a one world religion when Pius X said that they were part of the movement towards it. If Assisi does not qualify as part of the universal movement of apostasy towards a One World religion then nothing does.

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Did any of the other religious leaders even mention this? It's odd that he would preach the Gospel and Jesus Christ at this event and not believe in them. He must be detached from reality. Or are you?

No Stevus, you're the one mired in unreality. You think someone who calls in pagans to pray with Catholics believes in Christ and the Ten Commandments.

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So now you are judging the internal forum? You pretend to know that JPII did't believe in the Christian religion? How does a freemason worship? If JPII was a freemason, why didn't he invite them to the day of prayer as well? Why does his own Code of Canon Law forbid membership in the Masons?

The 1983 Code doesn't mention Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ by name. It only says:

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1983    One who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; one who promotes or moderates such an association, however, is to be punished with an interdict.
Canon 1374 of The Code of Canon Law; effective 27 November 1983. This replaced Canon 2335 of the 1917 codification.

1983    While the former excommunication of Catholics who joined Masonic societies has not been repeated in this Code, a sanction can be imposed on those who join associations that work against the Church, and an interdict can be placed on those who promote or run such groups. Whether Masons fall within these strictures must now be determined by authorities within the particular churches.

http://www.Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.bcy.ca/texts/RomanCatholics.html#1374

Get your facts straight Stevus.

This is the Novus Ordo Church:

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Absolutely absurd generalization. You have proven to have no capacity to make basic distinctions and have lost all powers of logic. You'll make a fine Sede.

It's not absurd at all. St. Paul said that if one rejects the resurrection of the body, one rejects Christianity. The Pope states in his book that St. Paul did not mean that physical bodies are raised.

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Where did the Popes state that modernists are athiests? Who is following mocdernists?

People who defend condom use outside of wedlock are following modernists. You are a follower of modernists.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #34 on:** March 02, 2011, 11:11:24 AM »

Allowing non-Christians to say a prayer in your presence is not actively participating in false worship. Otherwise if a Prot says a prayer next to you, you are participating in it. That is absurd.

Assisi was not an endorsement of a one world religion. That is your rash conclusion based on no facts. You can't give me one shred of evidence that a one-world religion was even proposed or discussed there. It's absurd to all worship separately if the purpose is to endorse a one world religion.

Pagans are praying for peace alongside Catholics. Pagans are not praying with Catholics to false gods. Again, get your facts straight. You think if you can phrase it the right way, you can change the reality.

Can. 1374 of '83 Code states: A person who joins an association which plots against the Church is to be punished with a just penalty; however, a person who promotes or directs an association of this kind is to be punished with an interdict.

Do the Freemasons plot against the Church? If JPII was a Freemason (absurd) why leave this Canon in? Why not allow Catholics to become Masons?

So now having your picture taken with Masons means you are a Mason? Do you even know the context of the picture you put up? Is that supposed to mean JPII was a Freemason? Was he disguised as a Cardinal in that picture? Did he have a body double like Paul VI?

St. Paul spoke of the resurrection of the body. The Pope, before he was Pope, waxed philosophical with his typical intellectual meanderings proposing the idea that the word "body" could mean various things. Goofy liberal thought? Yes. Does this mean he is not a Christian? Hardly. And who decides this? You? By what authority?

I have always condemned fornication and all other sins including calumny, which you commit on a frequent basis.

Coming from someone who doesn't even know what a modernist is, the claim that I am a "follower of modernists" is comical.

At this point you are simply vomiting out the kitchen sink and still haven't moved the ball one inch in defending any of your spurrilous claims.