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http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/giovanni-xxiii-john-xxiii-juan-xxiii-26148/

The Good Pope, sainted within the year
 
Pope John XXIII

“He cured a dying nun”. The canonization will be at the same time as Wojtyla


ANDREA TORNIELLI
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Wojtyla "instant saint" but along with John XXIII, the "Good Pope." This morning at the Vatican cardinals and bishops who are members of the  “ordinary” Congregation of Saints, were meeting to examine various cases before the summer. Among these, the miracle attributed to the intercession of Blessed John Paul II, the instantaneous healing of a woman. The last crucial step before Francesco’s final seal of approval, which will lead to the canonization in record time, of the Polish Pontiff beatified two years ago.

But surprisingly, the cardinals and bishops will also discuss another subject, added in the last few days, the canonization of John XXIII, the Pope who convened the Second Vatican Council, who died fifty years ago in June and was beatified in 2000. An unexpected turn of events, which attests to the desire to celebrate the two sanctifications together, bringing the halo and the universal worship to both the Pope of Bergamo, and Pope John Paul II.

The most likely date for the ceremony during which Roncalli and Wojtyla could be canonized is next December, immediately after the conclusion of the Year of Faith, given that the initial hypothesis of October seems less and less feasible due to time constraints and organizational problems . Cardinal Angelo Amato, Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, after the decision taken this morning, will meet Francesco and in the next few days the news of the two Popes Saints may be made permanently official.

It was John Paul II, in September 2000, during the Jubilee year, to proclaim John XXIII, Blessed, joining in the celebration was also the beatification of Pius IX, the last Pope king. On that occasion, moving Roncalli up his first step to the altar, was the miracle of healing to Sister Caterina Capitani, which occurred in 1966.

 As is well known according to the canonical norms for canonization it is necessary to recognise a second miracle that occurs after the beatification. Over the last thirteen years there have been various reports of blessings and alleged miracles attributed to the intercession of Roncalli, but until recently it was not known that one of them had passed the scrutiny of medical consultations and theologians from the Vatican’s "factory of saints”. It is therefore possible that they have decided to shorten the timeframe. The Pope has the ability, if desired, to supersede the recognition of the miracle and proceed nonetheless with a canonization after having heard the advice of the cardinals in the congregation
 
It was 19:49 on the 3rd June 1963, when the crowd in St. Peter's Square, seeing the lights come on in the bedroom of the papal apartment, learned of the death of John XXIII. In less than five years the elderly prelate from Bergamo, elected as a “transitional” Pope was just entering into the hearts of the world, for the simplicity of his actions and words. The visits to the Regina Coeli prison and to the sick children of the Child Jesus Hospital, both in Rome and his visits to the parishes had made him very popular. The historic decision to convene an ecuмenical Council has changed the face of the Church, even if Roncalli would not have seen the end, being able to conclude only the first of the four sessions of the Council.

The suggestion by several bishops to proclaim John saint by acclamation was still open to the Council. His successor, Paul VI, chose to follow the canonical route by opening a formal canonical process and wanted Roncalli to be alongside his predecessor Pius XII.

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/wojtyla-wojtyla-wojtyla-26154/

Wojtyla, the Congregation recognises the second miracle

John Paul II will be canonised within the year. The canonisation ceremony could be held in December  

The plenary meeting of cardinals and bishops of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints this morning approved the second miracle attributed to 'the intercession of John Paul II. As anticipated by Vatican Insider, Pope Wojtyla will be made a saint in all probability within the year and the canonisation ceremony  could be held in December.

The pronouncement of the cardinals and bishops today, after the medical consultation and commission of theologians had approved the second miracle, needed to certify that the healing, deemed inexplicable, was actually carried out by the intercession of the Polish Pope. This is the last step before the signing of the decree by the Pope, who will then convene a Consistory at which will be announced the date of the canonisation.

The miracle was performed by John Paul II on the same evening of the beatification, the 1st of May 2011. During the meeting, the cardinals and bishops of the Congregation would have spoken in favour of the canonisation in December after the conclusion of the Year of Faith. Everything, however, is left to the will of the Pope from which you could have expected "surprises". Pope Francesco would be very pleased, as it would seal the end of the Year of Faith, the contemporary proclamation of the holiness of Pope John Paul II and Pope John XXIII.  

 



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JPII to be Canonized With John XXIII on Feast of Immaculate Conception!
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    JPII to be Canonized With John XXIII on Feast of Immaculate Conception!
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  • Okay, so Pius IX is still not canonized. There isn't even a movement, to the best of my knowledge, for the canonization of Leo XIII. And yet JPII is sainted within a few years of his death? And to add insult to injury, they're adding John XXIII? Why not just throw in Paul VI and be done with it?

    I hope Our Lord prevents this somehow.

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    Why not just throw in Paul VI and be done with it?


    Give New Church time.

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    I hope Our Lord prevents this somehow.


    Hear, Hear!  :applause:

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    JPII to be Canonized With John XXIII on Feast of Immaculate Conception!
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  • Associated Press on His Holiness Pope Pius IX in the context of Newchurch canonizations:

    From AP article at http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_VATICAN_JOHN_PAUL_II?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-07-02-09-29-43 :

    But the Vatican in the past has sought to balance concerns about papal saints by giving two the honor at the same time. Such was the case in 2000, when John Paul beatified John XXIII, dubbed the "good pope," alongside Pope Pius IX, who confined Jєωs to Rome's ghetto, condoned the seizure of a Jєωιѕн boy and allegedly referred to Jєωs as dogs.

    By canonizing John Paul II along with John XXIII, the Vatican could be seeking to assuage concerns about John Paul's fast-track sainthood case by tying it together with the 50-year wait John XXIII has had to endure.

     :cussing:
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    JPII to be Canonized With John XXIII on Feast of Immaculate Conception!
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    Okay, so Pius IX is still not canonized. There isn't even a movement, to the best of my knowledge, for the canonization of Leo XIII. And yet JPII is sainted within a few years of his death? And to add insult to injury, they're adding John XXIII? Why not just throw in Paul VI and be done with it?

    I hope Our Lord prevents this somehow.


    Good point.  Why are the conciliarists ignoring the very saintly Paul VI?  He's the one who instituted the real changes in the church, rendering it into the conciliarist dream house that it is now.

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  • They should just roll out to St. Peter's Square the docuмents of VII and encase them in gold in a public ceremony. These wolves have no shame. Could it be any more obvious that every single VII "pope" will be declared either venerable or blessed or eventually "canonized?" I've said it before many times - I have no doubt whatsoever that BXVI's "canonization" is already in the works before he even dies.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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    Okay, so Pius IX is still not canonized. There isn't even a movement, to the best of my knowledge, for the canonization of Leo XIII. And yet JPII is sainted within a few years of his death? And to add insult to injury, they're adding John XXIII? Why not just throw in Paul VI and be done with it?

    I hope Our Lord prevents this somehow.


    Why ?  His enemies should be allowed to over play their hand and betray their true identity as malicious impostors.  The evil of their folly will be converted by God into good for the Church in the long run.  It makes everything far clearer.  What would be even better is if the Vatican begins a provisional deaconess program within roughly the same time frame.  Then no Catholic of good will could possibly be mistaken about where the Church is and where the Church is not, and we could begin to aid the restoration without so much hesitation and uncertainty.

    Objectively, of course, these are evils that we cannot positively will to happen.  But I, for one, hope that God permits whatever is necessary for the cup of punishment to be filled so that justice can be done and seen by all.  The sooner these times end, the better for us all.


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    His [Our Lord's] enemies should be allowed to over play their hand and betray their true identity as malicious impostors.  The evil of their folly will be converted by God into good for the Church in the long run.  It makes everything far clearer.  What would be even better is if the Vatican begins a provisional deaconess program within roughly the same time frame.  Then no Catholic of good will could possibly be mistaken about where the Church is and where the Church is not, and we could begin to aid the restoration without so much hesitation and uncertainty.



    I remember Bp. Sanborn saying once that he's all for women's ordination in the Conciliar Church for this very reason.
    "This principle is most certain: The non-Christian cannot in any way be Pope. The reason for this is that he cannot be head of what he is not a member. Now, he who is not a Christian is not a member of the Church, and a manifest heretic is not a Christian, as is clearly taught by St. Cyprian, St. Athanasius, St. Augustine, St. Jerome, and others. Therefore, the manifest heretic cannot be Pope." -- St. Robert Bellarmine

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  • If Mandela snuffs it in time, they'll probably shoot for the trifecta.

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  • It's exactly what we should expect.

    The new church's objective is to canonise the whole world. After all, everyone is saved and Hell does not exist?

    Regina Angelorum, ora pro nobis!


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  • JPII would be a perfect saint for the Montinian Church (est. 1965).  I hope a future pope straightens this all out.  The Montinianites could all embrace their man, Paul VI, and return to the banjo masses that they so love and they could preach indifferentism from the rooftops for all I care.  However, in this time of grave moral confusion, good hearted people are mistaking the current vatican for the Catholic Church when it's an imposter.

    I'm not sure he maintained his Catholicism during life.  He embraced syncretism to such an extent and he issued a new Code of Canon Law allowing non-Catholics to receive Holy Communion and everything else about the man....

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  • Good points Captain.

    Although, most Polish people I know have an inordinate attachment to him and his so called pontificate. They are a driving force behind his "canonisation".
    Regina Angelorum, ora pro nobis!

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    But I, for one, hope that God permits whatever is necessary for the cup of punishment to be filled so that justice can be done and seen by all.


    It ain't gonna be pretty, and EVERYONE is going to get slammed with ferocity beyond imagining. Don't think the good guys will get to hang out on the sidelines, munching popcorn and cheering. Our Lady has been begging God to stay His wrath for a long time. I strongly suspect that when time is up we'll wish we'd used the time we had to better effect, and wish for more time. But it will be too late then.

    Maybe "Lord have mercy" would be a better prayer than "Bring it on."

    Just sayin'.
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    JPII to be Canonized With John XXIII on Feast of Immaculate Conception!
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  • I don't believe the Novus Ordo canonizations are infallible anymore. Does this make me a sedevacantist?
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