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Mark 79 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2021, 05:28:27 PM »

https://judaism.is/dishonorable-mentions.html#wojtyla

Wojtyla the Second* Worst

Pope John Paul “the Great” • Canonized Saint of the Bipolar Church of Rome

https://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2020/05/pope-john-paul-ii-saint-of-bipolar.html

What You Need To Know About the Man who Claimed to be the Pope from 1978-2005

https://novusordowatch.org/john-paul-ii/

The Pope was Jєωιѕн says Historian

A Manchester historian claims that he has proof that the late Pope John Paul II was Jєωιѕн.

Yaakov Wise says his study into the the maternal ancestry of Karol Josez Wojtyla (John Paul II's real name) has revealed startling conclusions. Mr Wise, a researcher in orthodox Jєωιѕн history and philosophy, said the late Pope's mother, grandmother and great-grandmother were all probably Jєωιѕн and came from a small town not far from Krakow.…“I’m not making any firm conclusions, but what I'm saying is that there is a lot of circuмstantial evidence to say that he was Jєωιѕн.…”

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/the-pope-was-Jєωιѕн-says-historian-1067739

* Formerly “Wojtyla the Worst,” until eclipsed by Jorge Bergoglio

Ladislaus · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2021, 06:16:06 PM »

Quote from: Mark 79 on October 23, 2021, 05:28:27 PM

The Pope was Jєωιѕн says Historian
A Manchester historian claims that he has proof that the late Pope John Paul II was Jєωιѕн.
Yaakov Wise says his study into the the maternal ancestry of Karol Josez Wojtyla (John Paul II's real name) has revealed startling conclusions. Mr Wise, a researcher in orthodox Jєωιѕн history and philosophy, said the late Pope's mother, grandmother and great-grandmother were all probably Jєωιѕн and came from a small town not far from Krakow.…“I’m not making any firm conclusions, but what I'm saying is that there is a lot of circuмstantial evidence to say that he was Jєωιѕн.…”

Of course he was. Katz was a common Jєωιѕн name, and Wojtyla always played on the Jєωιѕн side when they had soccer games pitting Catholics vs. Jews.

from the article:

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Mr Wise said: "According to orthodox Judaism, a person's Jєωιѕн identity is passed down through the maternal line. I saw a photograph of the Pope's mother and I showed it to people who didn't know who she was.

Yeah, she has a rather pronounced nose ... not Polish at all.

Matto · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2021, 06:25:08 PM »

I would be surprised if they let any non-Jew become new-pope.

Kephapaulos · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2021, 07:59:25 PM »

I have gathered the argument that John Paul II's Polish heritage is to be considered in regard to his theology and actions, but is it not possible for cultures have certain ideas and customs in error?

Mark 79 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2021, 09:28:11 PM »

On due reflection, I decided that the meme I posted earlier was "over the top," so revised it accordingly.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #20 on:** October 24, 2021, 07:29:09 AM »

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #21 on:** October 24, 2021, 07:31:13 AM »

THE Antichrist? Perhaps.
Precursor to Antichrist? Most definitely.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #22 on:** October 24, 2021, 07:45:13 AM »

Quote from: Kephapaulos on October 23, 2021, 07:59:25 PM

I have gathered the argument that John Paul II's Polish heritage is to be considered in regard to his theology and actions, but is it not possible for cultures have certain ideas and customs in error?

It is indeed. American culture is so shot through with error, that IMHO, to be a true Catholic in this country, you have to start "from the bottom up" and realize that just about everything you think you know is wrong. The very foundations of this country, the founding docuмents, are riddled with errors. It could be brought into line with Catholic truth, but some major re-jacking would have to take place.

Just from my dealings with people in Poland (most of all being with a Polish wife for 14 years), I've observed that they have an excessive fascination with the outside world, and are fairly uncritical of it. It is as though they are rebelling against decades of isolation, and their tragic history --- being situated between Russia and Germany was a problem, to say the least --- has led them to go buck-a** wild and slurp up anything that the secular "West" has to offer. I would contrast this with someplace such as Hungary, which is a little more prickly and selective in keeping liberal ideas at bay.

This may just be a personality quirk of my wife, but she always bristled against the idea that an actual human being, in concrete circuмstances, could ever do anything wrong, or worse yet, be called a "bad person". I asked her if this came from her upbringing and education under communism, if their concept of the collective and the equality of all persons made her defend anything that anyone might do, and she denied this, but then again, when you're educated and raised a certain way, you're very often not even aware of your biases and preconceptions. When she was learning to drive, I tried to convey to her the concept of "defensive driving", and that you have to assume that the other guy is an idiot. She didn't like that at all.

I strongly suspect that JP the Deuce's "dignity of the human person" concept was at least partially informed by this mindset. My son thinks I am a jerk for having a less-than-totally-sanguine view of the human condition and the modern world, so it might even be genetic. Hard to say.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #23 on:** October 24, 2021, 02:01:43 PM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on October 24, 2021, 07:29:09 AM

Gone through about 30 minutes of the first one. Very interesting tidbit there. I knew that Cardinal Wyszynski opposed Wojtyla being made the Archbishop of Krakow, but what I did not know is that the Communist official there (Zenon Kliszko) stated that the only one he would accept as Archbishop of Krakow would be Wojtyla. While +Wyszynski was under house arrest, Wojtyla was touring the world lecturing about phenomenology.

So Wojtyla wrote a paper about Faith in St. John of the Cross to be admitted to The Angelicuм, but it was rejected by Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange on account of having a phenomenological / subjectivist view of faith. So he had to return to Poland to do his advanced degree. Later Wojtyla wrote his doctoral thesis about a system of ethics based upon Max Scheler (a phenomenologist). Now this Scheler had been a Jew but he allegedly converted to Catholicism in his teens.

Of all the people Wojtyla could have chosen to write a dissertation about, it was a Jєωιѕн "convert". Of course, Wojtyla's best childhood friends were Jews, and he played soccer for the Jєωιѕн team in their Catholics vs. Jews competitions. Plus, his maternal line was very likely Jєωιѕн.

Reports are that Wojtyla was views as a "Pax" priest, a Communist collaborator, and this is backed up by the fact that this Commie official Kliszko insisted on his being appointed Archbishop of Krakow, over the strong opposition of +Wyszynski. This Kliszko became a Communist way back in 1931, opposed the nαzιs, and then was appointed a high Communist official when the Russians brought Communism to Poland.

Prayerful · « **Reply #24 on:** October 24, 2021, 02:01:49 PM »

'St' John Paul the super Great Dr of gibberish perhaps indicated where he ended up with a flaming silhouette seen at a memorial service for JP2 (flaming final destination?). It was clever of Novus Ordo Watch to pick up on it. JP2 could be close to 95% orthodox, but the drop of poison was lethal including praying with pagans, receiving their blessings, adoring their false book.

It might not be clear that JP2 was a Jew, but his married girlfriend Dr. Anna-Teresa Tymieniecka Houthakker was, or really looked like one. He went on camping trips with her. Even if she was not married at that stage, a priest is surely not meant to go on camping trips with a woman of the sort we now know about. She was the President of the World Phenomenology Institute, so they had another rotten shared interest.

(pardon the copypaste snafu, but Polish names are really hard, sorry)

The lax attitude of JP2 to pederasts like Marcial Maciel, who reportedly died unrepentant of his sins, infuriated +Ratzinger who tried to resign (and that at least resulted in a mechanism to remove perv priests which Francis predictably weakened).

Hopefully their was enough memory of his formation, perhaps spiritual counsel in the confessional, to inspire him to die repentant.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #25 on:** October 24, 2021, 02:20:28 PM »

Quote from: Prayerful on October 24, 2021, 02:01:49 PM

'St' John Paul the super Great Dr of gibberish ...

I used to think that also, and my father kept saying that maybe his English isn't very good (he was Hungarian by birth but his English was solid) but he couldn't understand a word of what Wojtyla wrote. I agreed. .... until I studied phenomenology at STAS. That unlocked the key to his writing. Every word made sense in terms of his phenomenology (which when applied to Catholicism is in fact Modernism in a nutshell).

Strangely, however, Wojtyla was very solid on moral issues. But I now believe that was part of the ruse. He played the part of uber-conservative when it came to morals, and that led everyone to embrace him as the sweetheart of conservatives. Meanwhile, with the other hand, he was the greatest promoter of religious indifferentism who ever lived. And that I believe was the plan; this caused a lot of conservative Conciliarists to imbibe the poison of religious indifferentism, since it was blended in with the sugar of his conservative morals.

He was an incredible actor, becoming the darling of both the progressivists / liberals AND the conservatives at the very same time ... so that what he pulled off in the end was amazing.

Then Ratzinger came in ... after the line between left and right had shifted far to the left thanks to Wojtyla, and his main job was to neutralize the remaining Traditionalists. Suite-and-tie-wearing-Modernist-at-V2 was cast by the shilling media as "God's Rottweiler", an archconservative (when his books are filled with heresies), spoke some Latin, allowed the Tridentine Mass, etc. And he had all but succeeded ... except for one thing: Bishop Richard Williamson, whose interview about the h0Ɩ0h0αx torpedoed the entire absorption of the SSPX. Having failed in his job, Ratzinger was no longer of any use and was told to retire. So enters Bergoglio. If a man pretending to be a Traditionalist didn't work by tricking them, it's time to bring on the rabid foaming-at-the-mouth Modernist Bergoglio to suppress the Mass altogether. This led to the Bennyvacantist movement among those who had been fooled by Ratzinger ... since in comparison to Bergoglio Ratzinger looks like St. Pius X. These guys have played this game of Hegelian dialectic very well.

Compared to Montini, Wojtyla looked like a conservative, causing a shift in the pereception of the left vs. right dividing line. Even Archbishop Lefebvre nearly fell for it ... until Wojtyla revealed his true colors at Assisi. By the time Ratzinger arrived on the scene, he was now viewed as an arch-conservative ... even though he hadn't changed a lick. That shows you how Wojtyla had managed to transform perception. Then Bergoglio is so bad that people now view Ratzinger as even more conservative than St. Pius X. It's all about changing perception. St. Pius X would have excommunicated both Wojtyla and Ratzinger so fast that their heads would have spun. But that is all lost thanks to the work of the great actor and charlatan Wojtyla. His early theater career is what prepared him most for the Conciliar papacy.

DigitalLogos · « **Reply #26 on:** October 24, 2021, 02:33:36 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on October 24, 2021, 02:01:43 PM

Gone through about 30 minutes of the first one. Very interesting tidbit there. I knew that Cardinal Wyszynski opposed Wojtyla being made the Archbishop of Krakow, but what I did not know is that the Communist official there (Zenon Kliszko) stated that the only one he would accept as Archbishop of Krakow would be Wojtyla. While +Wyszynski was under house arrest, Wojtyla was touring the world lecturing about phenomenology.

So Wojtyla wrote a paper about Faith in St. John of the Cross to be admitted to The Angelicuм, but it was rejected by Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange on account of having a phenomenological / subjectivist view of faith. So he had to return to Poland to do his advanced degree. Later Wojtyla wrote his doctoral thesis about a system of ethics based upon Max Scheler (a phenomenologist). Now this Scheler had been a Jew but he allegedly converted to Catholicism in his teens.

Of all the people Wojtyla could have chosen to write a dissertation about, it was a Jєωιѕн "convert". Of course, Wojtyla's best childhood friends were Jews, and he played soccer for the Jєωιѕн team in their Catholics vs. Jews competitions. Plus, his maternal line was very likely Jєωιѕн.

Reports are that Wojtyla was views as a "Pax" priest, a Communist collaborator, and this is backed up by the fact that this Commie official Kliszko insisted on his being appointed Archbishop of Krakow, over the strong opposition of +Wyszynski. This Kliszko became a Communist way back in 1931, opposed the nαzιs, and then was appointed a high Communist official when the Russians brought Communism to Poland.

I found his "selection" by Kliszko one of the more brow-raising points in the first video.

It all begins to really piece itself together once the second part starts diving into his "theology". And given his Jєωιѕн connections, it comes as no surprise that he would be the one to propagate ʝʊdɛօ-Catholicism within the NO.

Interesting note: The Antichrist is said to be a Jew, JPII was purportedly a Jew, and the Dimonds lay out an interesting case for him being the Antichrist. It may not be true, but it is an interesting correlation at least.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #27 on:** October 24, 2021, 02:43:40 PM »

Quote from: DigitalLogos on October 24, 2021, 02:33:36 PM

Interesting note: The Antichrist is said to be a Jew, JPII was purportedly a Jew, and the Dimonds lay out an interesting case for him being the Antichrist. It may not be true, but it is an interesting correlation at least.

I doubt that he was THE Antichrist, but he's very likely a precursor. Just like high priests of the Maccabee era came before Christ, and the Dimonds were the ones to lay out the astonishing parallels, so this line comes before Antichrist.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #28 on:** October 24, 2021, 02:45:36 PM »

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3276657

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In the early 1960s, Zenon Kliszko, the chief ideologist of the Polish Communist Party, vetoed seven candidates put forward by the Roman Catholic Church to be bishops. The party ideologist reasoned that Karol Wojtyla, who had expressed little interest in mundane politics, could be manipulated easily. This has to rank as one of the most monumental miscalculations of the 20th century.

Hardly. Kliszko knew exactly what he was doing. These guys weren't idiots. Kliszko didn't make a "calculation"; he knew well that Wojtyla was an agent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1999/10/03/the-good-pilgrim/ba58bc7f-fcd3-42b8-8093-22fc0541f3c6/

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In the early 1960s, party ideologist Zenon Kliszko vetoed seven candidates the church put forward to be bishops. "I'm waiting for Wojtyla," Kliszko said, "and I'll continue to veto names until I get him." He got him all right.

This is not someone who calculated that Wojtyla was be less a thread; no, he zeroed in on Wojtyla right out of the gate.

Notice above how the Polish Church promoted SEVEN other candidates before Wojtyla.

See, this is what I believe Our Lady mean by the errors of Russia overtaking the world. Montini and Wojtyla were both likely planted into the papacy by Communist agents .. who removed the legitimately-elected Cardinal Siri and installed these guys instead. THIS is what the Third Secret warned about and why it was to be revealed by 1960, when it would become "much clearer".

Ladislaus · « **Reply #29 on:** October 24, 2021, 03:03:10 PM »

Then there are those pictures of Wojtyla (after being made Archbishop and Cardinal) sitting there in shorts and a T-shirt with that woman and a young child (a boy). There are two separate pictures of him with the same woman, and in one of them his knee is actually touching against the woman's thigh. They seem entirely too familar, almost as if they were a family. If I were forced to wager on it, I'd guess that Wojtyla was very "familiar" with the woman, and that the child is his. Where was that woman's husband and that child's father?

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