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Title: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Todd The Trad on October 22, 2021, 10:22:21 AM
You have got to be kidding me...

https://www.ncregister.com/cna/could-st-john-paul-ii-be-declared-a-doctor-of-the-church
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: DigitalLogos on October 22, 2021, 10:28:24 AM
JOHN PAUL THE GREAT YOU GUYS!! :facepalm:

"Doctor of the Church" has become such a joke now, just like canonizations. Women have never been declared Doctors until after V2, but they are now! Popes who publicly apostatize from the faith can be saints! And now Doctors of the Church too!

What a joke.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: aegis on October 22, 2021, 10:31:15 AM
Sure, they can declare him Doctor personalismus. Seriously, a Pope that was an avid phenomenologist/personalist declared doctor of the Church is some kind of mockery.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Todd The Trad on October 22, 2021, 10:38:13 AM
JOHN PAUL THE GREAT YOU GUYS!! :facepalm:

"Doctor of the Church" has become such a joke now, just like canonizations. Women have never been declared Doctors until after V2, but they are now! Popes who publicly apostatize from the faith can be saints! And now Doctors of the Church too!

What a joke.
Yep. Now they're gonna start choosing new doctors for their new religion. We've already heard Francis announce he's going to declare St. Irenaeus "doctor of unity". I can almost see into the future now..."Saint" Pope Francis, doctor of ecuмenism.   
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Ladislaus on October 22, 2021, 11:00:00 AM
Sure, they can declare him Doctor personalismus. Seriously, a Pope that was an avid phenomenologist/personalist declared doctor of the Church is some kind of mockery.

I'd be on board with Doctor Haereticus
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: ultrarigorist on October 22, 2021, 11:13:36 AM
...doctor of the Church as Fauci is a doctor of medicine
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Todd The Trad on October 22, 2021, 11:21:18 AM
doctor of modernism 
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Last Tradhican on October 22, 2021, 11:40:10 AM
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JP2 Doctor of the church
There, that's better. A doctor of just another false church, with a small c.  A doctor, THE doctor of counterfeit church of Vatican II "religion". 

It could not be more obvious folks!
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 22, 2021, 02:09:03 PM
Witch doctor?

https://tinyurl.com/vbemwmhe

https://youtu.be/3XdHS7oJ6Ok
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: SimpleMan on October 22, 2021, 07:00:26 PM
You have got to be kidding me...

https://www.ncregister.com/cna/could-st-john-paul-ii-be-declared-a-doctor-of-the-church
Oh, please.

:facepalm:
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: bodeens on October 23, 2021, 07:18:53 AM
Wokeyla could be the Doctor of Interfaith Prayer lol... Where the RnRs at?? Jansen even wrote that if he was wrong he would submit (he died before his school of thought took off). Abelard submitted to censure.  Did this guy EVER publicly repent for any of the "Interfaith" scandals? Redemptor Hominis with the "Spiritu veritatis" in regard to "non christianas" :confused:
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on October 23, 2021, 07:40:54 AM
Things must be pretty bad within Vatican II Church , if they are pulling out the John Paul II Card.

They are still doing damage control after Nancy Peℓσѕι visit. 
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Meg on October 23, 2021, 08:23:26 AM
Things must be pretty bad within Vatican II Church , if they are pulling out the John Paul II Card.

They are still doing damage control after Nancy Peℓσѕι visit.

I agree. But JP2 will be considered a doctor of the Vatican ll Church, of which he wrote endless flowery blah-blah (as described by Fr. Hesse). Some think he was eloquent, but that's because he had a penchant for making nonsense seem like it was profound, for those who do not know any better, or refuse to know better. 
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Mark 79 on October 23, 2021, 03:26:00 PM
Wojtyla the Second Worst (he was eclipsed by Jorge) made word salad with his Theology From My Genitals.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Matthew on October 23, 2021, 03:55:33 PM
Wojtyla the Second Worst (he was eclipsed by Jorge) made word salad with his Theology From My Genitals.

That's a great, appropriate, well-aimed insult at JP2's "Theology of the Body".
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Mark 79 on October 23, 2021, 05:28:27 PM
(http://judaism.is/images/wojtyla%20genital%20theology.png?crc=4192009916)

https://judaism.is/dishonorable-mentions.html#wojtyla (https://judaism.is/dishonorable-mentions.html#wojtyla)

Wojtyla the Second* Worst
 
(https://judaism.is/images/jpii-w-rabbi.jpg?crc=4291487873)
 
Pope John Paul “the Great” • Canonized Saint of the Bipolar Church of Rome
https://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2020/05/pope-john-paul-ii-saint-of-bipolar.html (https://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2020/05/pope-john-paul-ii-saint-of-bipolar.html)
 
What You Need To Know About the Man who Claimed to be the Pope from 1978-2005
https://novusordowatch.org/john-paul-ii/ (https://novusordowatch.org/john-paul-ii/)
 
The Pope was Jєωιѕн says Historian
A Manchester historian claims that he has proof that the late Pope John Paul II was Jєωιѕн.
Yaakov Wise says his study into the the maternal ancestry of Karol Josez Wojtyla (John Paul II's real name) has revealed startling conclusions. Mr Wise, a researcher in orthodox Jєωιѕн history and philosophy, said the late Pope's mother, grandmother and great-grandmother were all probably Jєωιѕн and came from a small town not far from Krakow.…“I’m not making any firm conclusions, but what I'm saying is that there is a lot of circuмstantial evidence to say that he was Jєωιѕн.…”
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/the-pope-was-Jєωιѕн-says-historian-1067739 (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/local-news/the-pope-was-Jєωιѕн-says-historian-1067739)
 
* Formerly “Wojtyla the Worst,” until eclipsed by Jorge Bergoglio (https://judaism.is/jorge.html)

Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Ladislaus on October 23, 2021, 06:16:06 PM
The Pope was Jєωιѕн says Historian
A Manchester historian claims that he has proof that the late Pope John Paul II was Jєωιѕн.
Yaakov Wise says his study into the the maternal ancestry of Karol Josez Wojtyla (John Paul II's real name) has revealed startling conclusions. Mr Wise, a researcher in orthodox Jєωιѕн history and philosophy, said the late Pope's mother, grandmother and great-grandmother were all probably Jєωιѕн and came from a small town not far from Krakow.…“I’m not making any firm conclusions, but what I'm saying is that there is a lot of circuмstantial evidence to say that he was Jєωιѕн.…”

Of course he was.  Katz was a common Jєωιѕн name, and Wojtyla always played on the Jєωιѕн side when they had soccer games pitting Catholics vs. Jews.

from the article:
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Mr Wise said: "According to orthodox Judaism, a person's Jєωιѕн identity is passed down through the maternal line. I saw a photograph of the Pope's mother and I showed it to people who didn't know who she was.

Yeah, she has a rather pronounced nose ... not Polish at all.

(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/karol-wojtyla-with-his-mother-emilia-of-kaczorowski-family-the-is-picture-id52548142)

(https://insidethevatican.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/The-wedding-portrait-of-John-Paul-II_s-parents-Emilia-and-Karol-Wojty_a-Snr-x.png)
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Matto on October 23, 2021, 06:25:08 PM
I would be surprised if they let any non-Jew become new-pope. 
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Kephapaulos on October 23, 2021, 07:59:25 PM
I have gathered the argument that John Paul II's Polish heritage is to be considered in regard to his theology and actions, but is it not possible for cultures have certain ideas and customs in error? 
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Mark 79 on October 23, 2021, 09:28:11 PM
On due reflection, I decided that the meme I posted earlier was "over the top," so revised it accordingly.

(http://judaism.is/images/wojtyla%20burning%20broken%20cross.png?crc=4171788044)
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: DigitalLogos on October 24, 2021, 07:29:09 AM
https://youtu.be/7nBYDsf4qDU
https://youtu.be/UPB7ao4z-3U
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: DigitalLogos on October 24, 2021, 07:31:13 AM
THE Antichrist? Perhaps.
Precursor to Antichrist? Most definitely.

https://youtu.be/SPs7jdfaib0
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: SimpleMan on October 24, 2021, 07:45:13 AM
I have gathered the argument that John Paul II's Polish heritage is to be considered in regard to his theology and actions, but is it not possible for cultures have certain ideas and customs in error?
It is indeed.  American culture is so shot through with error, that IMHO, to be a true Catholic in this country, you have to start "from the bottom up" and realize that just about everything you think you know is wrong.  The very foundations of this country, the founding docuмents, are riddled with errors.  It could be brought into line with Catholic truth, but some major re-jacking would have to take place. 

Just from my dealings with people in Poland (most of all being with a Polish wife for 14 years), I've observed that they have an excessive fascination with the outside world, and are fairly uncritical of it.  It is as though they are rebelling against decades of isolation, and their tragic history --- being situated between Russia and Germany was a problem, to say the least --- has led them to go buck-a** wild and slurp up anything that the secular "West" has to offer.  I would contrast this with someplace such as Hungary, which is a little more prickly and selective in keeping liberal ideas at bay.

This may just be a personality quirk of my wife, but she always bristled against the idea that an actual human being, in concrete circuмstances, could ever do anything wrong, or worse yet, be called a "bad person".  I asked her if this came from her upbringing and education under communism, if their concept of the collective and the equality of all persons made her defend anything that anyone might do, and she denied this, but then again, when you're educated and raised a certain way, you're very often not even aware of your biases and preconceptions.  When she was learning to drive, I tried to convey to her the concept of "defensive driving", and that you have to assume that the other guy is an idiot.  She didn't like that at all.

I strongly suspect that JP the Deuce's "dignity of the human person" concept was at least partially informed by this mindset.  My son thinks I am a jerk for having a less-than-totally-sanguine view of the human condition and the modern world, so it might even be genetic.  Hard to say.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2021, 02:01:43 PM
https://youtu.be/7nBYDsf4qDU
https://youtu.be/UPB7ao4z-3U

Gone through about 30 minutes of the first one.  Very interesting tidbit there.  I knew that Cardinal Wyszynski opposed Wojtyla being made the Archbishop of Krakow, but what I did not know is that the Communist official there (Zenon Kliszko) stated that the only one he would accept as Archbishop of Krakow would be Wojtyla.  While +Wyszynski was under house arrest, Wojtyla was touring the world lecturing about phenomenology.

So Wojtyla wrote a paper about Faith in St. John of the Cross to be admitted to The Angelicuм, but it was rejected by Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange on account of having a phenomenological / subjectivist view of faith.  So he had to return to Poland to do his advanced degree.  Later Wojtyla wrote his doctoral thesis about a system of ethics based upon Max Scheler (a phenomenologist).  Now this Scheler had been a Jew but he allegedly converted to Catholicism in his teens.

Of all the people Wojtyla could have chosen to write a dissertation about, it was a Jєωιѕн "convert".  Of course, Wojtyla's best childhood friends were Jews, and he played soccer for the Jєωιѕн team in their Catholics vs. Jews competitions.  Plus, his maternal line was very likely Jєωιѕн.

Reports are that Wojtyla was views as a "Pax" priest, a Communist collaborator, and this is backed up by the fact that this Commie official Kliszko insisted on his being appointed Archbishop of Krakow, over the strong opposition of +Wyszynski.  This Kliszko became a Communist way back in 1931, opposed the nαzιs, and then was appointed a high Communist official when the Russians brought Communism to Poland.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Prayerful on October 24, 2021, 02:01:49 PM
'St' John Paul the super Great Dr of gibberish perhaps indicated where he ended up with a flaming silhouette seen at a memorial service for JP2 (flaming final destination (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/10687/late-pope-john-paul-ii-makes-a-fiery-appearance-in-poland)?). It was clever of Novus Ordo Watch to pick up on it. JP2 could be close to 95% orthodox, but the drop of poison was lethal including praying with pagans, receiving their blessings, adoring their false book. 

It might not be clear that JP2 was a Jew, but his married girlfriend Dr. Anna-Teresa Tymieniecka Houthakker was, or really looked like one. He went on camping trips with her. Even if she was not married at that stage, a priest is surely not meant to go on camping trips with a woman of the sort we now know about. She was the President of the World Phenomenology Institute, so they had another rotten shared interest.

(pardon the copypaste snafu, but Polish names are really hard, sorry)

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/55db44235a82f6bddadfd9be64d89061c136d11e/155_124_1772_1063/master/1772.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=6f380fcfc92ec0482f20ee4dd51d46f4)

(https://dailyentertainmentnews.com/wpgo/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Anna-Teresa-Tymieniecka-2_thumb.jpg)

The lax attitude of JP2 to pederasts like Marcial Maciel, who reportedly died unrepentant of his sins, infuriated +Ratzinger who tried to resign (and that at least resulted in a mechanism to remove perv priests which Francis predictably weakened).

Hopefully their was enough memory of his formation, perhaps spiritual counsel in the confessional, to inspire him to die repentant.

 

(https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/images/fierypope.jpg?w=670&h=447)
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2021, 02:20:28 PM
'St' John Paul the super Great Dr of gibberish ...

I used to think that also, and my father kept saying that maybe his English isn't very good (he was Hungarian by birth but his English was solid) but he couldn't understand a word of what Wojtyla wrote.  I agreed.  .... until I studied phenomenology at STAS.  That unlocked the key to his writing.  Every word made sense in terms of his phenomenology (which when applied to Catholicism is in fact Modernism in a nutshell).

Strangely, however, Wojtyla was very solid on moral issues.  But I now believe that was part of the ruse.  He played the part of uber-conservative when it came to morals, and that led everyone to embrace him as the sweetheart of conservatives.  Meanwhile, with the other hand, he was the greatest promoter of religious indifferentism who ever lived.  And that I believe was the plan; this caused a lot of conservative Conciliarists to imbibe the poison of religious indifferentism, since it was blended in with the sugar of his conservative morals.

He was an incredible actor, becoming the darling of both the progressivists / liberals AND the conservatives at the very same time ... so that what he pulled off in the end was amazing.

Then Ratzinger came in ... after the line between left and right had shifted far to the left thanks to Wojtyla, and his main job was to neutralize the remaining Traditionalists.  Suite-and-tie-wearing-Modernist-at-V2 was cast by the shilling media as "God's Rottweiler", an archconservative (when his books are filled with heresies), spoke some Latin, allowed the Tridentine Mass, etc.  And he had all but succeeded ... except for one thing:  Bishop Richard Williamson, whose interview about the h0Ɩ0h0αx torpedoed the entire absorption of the SSPX.  Having failed in his job, Ratzinger was no longer of any use and was told to retire.  So enters Bergoglio.  If a man pretending to be a Traditionalist didn't work by tricking them, it's time to bring on the rabid foaming-at-the-mouth Modernist Bergoglio to suppress the Mass altogether.  This led to the Bennyvacantist movement among those who had been fooled by Ratzinger ... since in comparison to Bergoglio Ratzinger looks like St. Pius X.  These guys have played this game of Hegelian dialectic very well.

Compared to Montini, Wojtyla looked like a conservative, causing a shift in the pereception of the left vs. right dividing line.  Even Archbishop Lefebvre nearly fell for it ... until Wojtyla revealed his true colors at Assisi.  By the time Ratzinger arrived on the scene, he was now viewed as an arch-conservative ... even though he hadn't changed a lick.  That shows you how Wojtyla had managed to transform perception.  Then Bergoglio is so bad that people now view Ratzinger as even more conservative than St. Pius X.  It's all about changing perception.  St. Pius X would have excommunicated both Wojtyla and Ratzinger so fast that their heads would have spun.  But that is all lost thanks to the work of the great actor and charlatan Wojtyla.  His early theater career is what prepared him most for the Conciliar papacy.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: DigitalLogos on October 24, 2021, 02:33:36 PM
Gone through about 30 minutes of the first one.  Very interesting tidbit there.  I knew that Cardinal Wyszynski opposed Wojtyla being made the Archbishop of Krakow, but what I did not know is that the Communist official there (Zenon Kliszko) stated that the only one he would accept as Archbishop of Krakow would be Wojtyla.  While +Wyszynski was under house arrest, Wojtyla was touring the world lecturing about phenomenology.

So Wojtyla wrote a paper about Faith in St. John of the Cross to be admitted to The Angelicuм, but it was rejected by Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange on account of having a phenomenological / subjectivist view of faith.  So he had to return to Poland to do his advanced degree.  Later Wojtyla wrote his doctoral thesis about a system of ethics based upon Max Scheler (a phenomenologist).  Now this Scheler had been a Jew but he allegedly converted to Catholicism in his teens.

Of all the people Wojtyla could have chosen to write a dissertation about, it was a Jєωιѕн "convert".  Of course, Wojtyla's best childhood friends were Jews, and he played soccer for the Jєωιѕн team in their Catholics vs. Jews competitions.  Plus, his maternal line was very likely Jєωιѕн.

Reports are that Wojtyla was views as a "Pax" priest, a Communist collaborator, and this is backed up by the fact that this Commie official Kliszko insisted on his being appointed Archbishop of Krakow, over the strong opposition of +Wyszynski.  This Kliszko became a Communist way back in 1931, opposed the nαzιs, and then was appointed a high Communist official when the Russians brought Communism to Poland.
I found his "selection" by Kliszko one of the more brow-raising points in the first video.

It all begins to really piece itself together once the second part starts diving into his "theology". And given his Jєωιѕн connections, it comes as no surprise that he would be the one to propagate ʝʊdɛօ-Catholicism within the NO.

Interesting note: The Antichrist is said to be a Jew, JPII was purportedly a Jew, and the Dimonds lay out an interesting case for him being the Antichrist. It may not be true, but it is an interesting correlation at least.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2021, 02:43:40 PM
Interesting note: The Antichrist is said to be a Jew, JPII was purportedly a Jew, and the Dimonds lay out an interesting case for him being the Antichrist. It may not be true, but it is an interesting correlation at least.

I doubt that he was THE Antichrist, but he's very likely a precursor.  Just like high priests of the Maccabee era came before Christ, and the Dimonds were the ones to lay out the astonishing parallels, so this line comes before Antichrist.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2021, 02:45:36 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna3276657


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In the early 1960s, Zenon Kliszko, the chief ideologist of the Polish Communist Party, vetoed seven candidates put forward by the Roman Catholic Church to be bishops.  The party ideologist reasoned that Karol Wojtyla, who had expressed little interest in mundane politics, could be manipulated easily. This has to rank as one of the most monumental miscalculations of the 20th century.

Hardly.  Kliszko knew exactly what he was doing.  These guys weren't idiots.  Kliszko didn't make a "calculation"; he knew well that Wojtyla was an agent.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/entertainment/books/1999/10/03/the-good-pilgrim/ba58bc7f-fcd3-42b8-8093-22fc0541f3c6/

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In the early 1960s, party ideologist Zenon Kliszko vetoed seven candidates the church put forward to be bishops. "I'm waiting for Wojtyla," Kliszko said, "and I'll continue to veto names until I get him." He got him all right.

This is not someone who calculated that Wojtyla was be less a thread; no, he zeroed in on Wojtyla right out of the gate.

Notice above how the Polish Church promoted SEVEN other candidates before Wojtyla.

See, this is what I believe Our Lady mean by the errors of Russia overtaking the world.  Montini and Wojtyla were both likely planted into the papacy by Communist agents .. who removed the legitimately-elected Cardinal Siri and installed these guys instead.  THIS is what the Third Secret warned about and why it was to be revealed by 1960, when it would become "much clearer".
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Ladislaus on October 24, 2021, 03:03:10 PM
Then there are those pictures of Wojtyla (after being made Archbishop and Cardinal) sitting there in shorts and a T-shirt with that woman and a young child (a boy).  There are two separate pictures of him with the same woman, and in one of them his knee is actually touching against the woman's thigh.  They seem entirely too familar, almost as if they were a family.  If I were forced to wager on it, I'd guess that Wojtyla was very "familiar" with the woman, and that the child is his.  Where was that woman's husband and that child's father?
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Kephapaulos on October 24, 2021, 05:19:37 PM
Okay, don't gag, but perhaps someone can let me know what they think of what is said here, especially in regard to the thinking of John Paul II. 

https://youtu.be/P4TJDaL37Zo

Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Prayerful on October 24, 2021, 07:34:48 PM
I used to think that also, and my father kept saying that maybe his English isn't very good (he was Hungarian by birth but his English was solid) but he couldn't understand a word of what Wojtyla wrote.  I agreed.  .... until I studied phenomenology at STAS.  That unlocked the key to his writing.  Every word made sense in terms of his phenomenology (which when applied to Catholicism is in fact Modernism in a nutshell).

Strangely, however, Wojtyla was very solid on moral issues.  But I now believe that was part of the ruse.  He played the part of uber-conservative when it came to morals, and that led everyone to embrace him as the sweetheart of conservatives.  Meanwhile, with the other hand, he was the greatest promoter of religious indifferentism who ever lived.  And that I believe was the plan; this caused a lot of conservative Conciliarists to imbibe the poison of religious indifferentism, since it was blended in with the sugar of his conservative morals.

He was an incredible actor, becoming the darling of both the progressivists / liberals AND the conservatives at the very same time ... so that what he pulled off in the end was amazing.

Then Ratzinger came in ... after the line between left and right had shifted far to the left thanks to Wojtyla, and his main job was to neutralize the remaining Traditionalists.  Suite-and-tie-wearing-Modernist-at-V2 was cast by the shilling media as "God's Rottweiler", an archconservative (when his books are filled with heresies), spoke some Latin, allowed the Tridentine Mass, etc.  And he had all but succeeded ... except for one thing:  Bishop Richard Williamson, whose interview about the h0Ɩ0h0αx torpedoed the entire absorption of the SSPX.  Having failed in his job, Ratzinger was no longer of any use and was told to retire.  So enters Bergoglio.  If a man pretending to be a Traditionalist didn't work by tricking them, it's time to bring on the rabid foaming-at-the-mouth Modernist Bergoglio to suppress the Mass altogether.  This led to the Bennyvacantist movement among those who had been fooled by Ratzinger ... since in comparison to Bergoglio Ratzinger looks like St. Pius X.  These guys have played this game of Hegelian dialectic very well.

Compared to Montini, Wojtyla looked like a conservative, causing a shift in the pereception of the left vs. right dividing line.  Even Archbishop Lefebvre nearly fell for it ... until Wojtyla revealed his true colors at Assisi.  By the time Ratzinger arrived on the scene, he was now viewed as an arch-conservative ... even though he hadn't changed a lick.  That shows you how Wojtyla had managed to transform perception.  Then Bergoglio is so bad that people now view Ratzinger as even more conservative than St. Pius X.  It's all about changing perception.  St. Pius X would have excommunicated both Wojtyla and Ratzinger so fast that their heads would have spun.  But that is all lost thanks to the work of the great actor and charlatan Wojtyla.  His early theater career is what prepared him most for the Conciliar papacy.
Thanks for a strong summary of the matter. I say gibberish as his docuмents were usually needlessly unclear, but indeed every word likely has a meaning and purpose. Phenomenology has such luminaries as the famously incomprehensible but sharpminded Martin Heidegger. Spouting seeming nonsense is a perfect way to hide error. Francis just doesn't have the ability to do that in the one or two languages he doesn't fully grasp. Yes, JP2 really has sown the weeds among Catholics. Indifferentism is a powerful and destructive force among people who see themselves as traditional, giving their backing to such uncertain projects as the Jericho March, and obviously the extravagant support for the pro sodomy, pro Israel Trump, who might be better than Biden, but some of the Trump stuff done by, say, Taylor Marshall was utterly cringe inducing. 
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Mark 79 on October 25, 2021, 02:28:14 AM
He was an incredible actor…

Yes.

Quote
You have become the supreme actor with an idolizing cult of personality and you have become a prolific playwright, but one who composes circuмlocutive ambiguities made tragic buffooneries by the perverts and neo-Pharisees you appoint to red hats and miters.
https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jpii/msg672749/#msg672749 (https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/jpii/msg672749/#msg672749) 
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: cassini on October 25, 2021, 06:24:38 AM
My study of Pope John Paul II involved his contribution to Faith and science, or rather Catholic faith and fiction. We could say his corruption of Supernatural creation began at Vatican II with his contribution to Gaudium et Spes no 36:

‘… The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are. We cannot but deplore certain attitudes (not unknown among Christians) deriving from a short-sighted view of the rightful autonomy of science; they have occasioned conflict and controversy and have misled many into opposing faith and science.’ --- Gaudium et spes, # 36.

Here the boyos of Vatican II accuse St Robert Bellarmine, Pope Paul V and Pope Urban VIII who in 1616 and 1633 defended the geocentric reading of Scripture held by ALL the Fathers. Both Trent and Vatican I had defined that when all the Fathers agree on a matter of faith and morals, and the correct understanding of Scripture is of faith, then that is an infallible belief. bUt here above Cardinal Wojtyla and his lot accuse these churchmen of not knowing what they were doing and that that caused many to be misled into 'opposing faith and science.

The first thing Wojtyla did when becoming Pope John Paul; II was to open up a commission to 'find the rights and wrongs of the Galileo case in 1981. This study ended 11 years later. 
In the years awaiting the outcome of the Galileo Commission’s findings, it became plain that theistic-evolution had now become the norm in the Catholic Church as Pope John Paul II’s catechesis asserts:
 
‘This text Genesis has above all a religious and theological importance. There are not to be sought in it significant elements from the point of view of science…. Indeed, the theory of natural evolution, understood in a sense that does not exclude divine causality, is not in principle opposed to the truth about the creation of the visible world, as presented in Genesis.’ ---- L’Osservatore Romano, Feb. 3, 1986.
for centuries the philosophy, theology and metaphysics of St Thomas Aquinas helped guide popes and theologians in clarifying the Faith. Given St Thomas’s teachings on faith and reason did not survive most of the scientific findings of the enlightenment; it was only a matter of time when St Thomas himself also got the boot.
 
‘With the election of Karol Wojtyła as Pope John Paul II in 1978, there occurred an implicit re-evaluation of French Ressourcement Theology or the “new theology.” John Paul II, who had the highest esteem for [the evolutionist] Henri de Lubac, stopped during a major address in 1980 and acknowledged the presence of de Lubac, saying “I bow my head to Father Henri de Lubac.” When de Lubac became a cardinal in 1983, this elevation by itself rehabilitated his intellectual career, including, by implication, his spirited defence of [the pantheist evolutionist] Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. In 1993, John Paul II issued an encyclical which “corrected” Aeterni Patris and Humani Generis. Though the thought of Thomas Aquinas took precedence, the encyclical indicated that other avenues could be explored for the good of the Catholic Church. A genuine competition replaced the Leonine strategy of Aeterni Patris and, later, Humani Generis. Paragraph #29 of Splendor Veritatis stated: “Certainly the Church’s Magisterium does not intend to impose upon the faithful any particular theological system, still less a philosophical one.” --- Homiletic & Pastoral Review.
More to follow.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: cassini on October 25, 2021, 06:54:39 AM
‘In 1979 Pope John Paul II expressed the wish that the Pontifical Academy of Sciences would conduct an in-depth study of the celebrated and controversial “Galileo case.” A Commission of scholars for this purpose was established in 1981 and on Saturday morning, 31 Oct., 1992 they presented their conclusions to the Pope. .’ -- L’Osservatore Romano.

Under the wishful headline ‘Galileo Case is Resolved,’ what emerged was little more than yet another rendition of the affair and its aftermath as contrived by the army of apologists and minimisers in the Catholic Church over the centuries. After eleven years of ‘work,’ with many books written on different aspects of the Galileo case by the investigating ‘experts,’ the report had a mixed reaction around the world for different reasons. The secular Press made a joke of it, Catholics rejoiced at the outcome, some reading it as a Church teaching, while certain others correctly challenged many details of its content.

Finally we got to to the bit where Wojtyla shows his ability to fool the world. Read this part of his speech;

(11) ‘In Galileo’s time, to depict the world as lacking an absolute physical reference point was, so to speak, inconceivable. And since the cosmos, as it was then known, was contained within the solar system alone, this reference point could only be situated in the Earth or the sun. Today, after Einstein and within the perspective of contemporary cosmology neither of these two reference points have the importance they once had. This observation, it goes without saying, is not directed against the validity of Galileo's position in the debate; it is only meant to show that often, beyond two partial and contrasting perceptions, there exists a wider perception which includes them and goes beyond both of them…’

Here he tells all in front of him realativity now prevails in ther universe. In other words science now admits it cannot prove or falsify heliocentrism or geocentrism. But then he goes on to say this 'IS NOT DIRECTED AGAINST THE VALIDITY OF GALILEO'S POSITION, which of course was a HELIOCENTRIC position.
Such a contradiction in such a historic case like the Galileo case was not noticed by one of the experts present at the time or after it.

‘Paradoxically, Galileo, a sincere believer, showed himself to be more perceptive in this regard than the theologians who opposed him…. We also know his letter to Christine which is like a short treatise on Biblical hermeneutics.’  --Pope John Paul II


Next the Pope enacts what Albert Pike said in his 1871 Morals and Dogma; that faith would succuмb to reason.

‘(8): It is necessary to repeat here what I said above. It is a duty for theologians to keep themselves regularly informed of scientific advances in order to examine if such be necessary, whether or not there are reasons for taking them into account in their reflection or for introducing changes in their teaching.’ --- Pope John Paul II.

Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: cassini on October 25, 2021, 06:58:02 AM
Finally, On January 3rd, 1997, the following report appeared in The Catholic Herald, an English weekly newspaper:

‘The Grand Orient of Italy decided to award the Pontiff Pope John Paul II with the Order of Galileo Galilei, the highest form of recognition able to be made by Italy’s freemasons to a non-member, in recognition for his promotion of universal masonic values of fraternity, respect for the dignity of man, and the spirit of tolerance… Our intention is to pay homage to a man who, unlike his predecessors, showed himself to be extremely open-minded, rehabilitating Galileo, promoting a critical analysis of the Inquisition [etc.].’

Let us recall here the ‘Permanent Instruction of the Alta Vendita,’  otherwise known as the ‘Alta Vendita Plan’ discovered in 1820, whose ultimate end is that of Voltaire and the French Revolution which speaks of working for a generation that will rejoice in having a pope ‘according to our wants’ and of a clergy who will ‘march under our banner in the belief always that they march under the banner of the Apostolic Keys.’ Now consider the above report, wherein we see the masters of Italian Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ - whose ultimate aim is the total victory of the Antichrist - honour Pope John Paul II with an award named after Galileo Galilei. Coming as it does in a Catholic newspaper, openly and without inhibition, probably illustrates the influence Galileo’s reformation has had inside and outside the Church today better than anything we could say.
    The Alta Vendita plan tells of an era of infiltration into the Catholic Church by the Carbonari, who had links with Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, so that they could introduce into Catholicism their liberal and progressive ideals and principles, a revolution and reformation that manifested itself at that pastoral council Vatican II (1962-65). History shows us that one by one, the popes of Vatican II were liberal and progressive, introducing or allowing changes to Catholicism undreamed of before and making themselves saints one after the other all trying to make the post-Vatican II era look like the most Catholic of all in history.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: Prayerful on October 25, 2021, 01:26:08 PM
Okay, don't gag, but perhaps someone can let me know what they think of what is said here, especially in regard to the thinking of John Paul II.

https://youtu.be/P4TJDaL37Zo
Someone who goes through that will deserve a medal. 

Cassini 

The Catholic Herald was once very good, somehow manage to balance between Church and anti-church, now it tends towards the woke and puerile, although it pulled back a bit from the depths it recently plunged.

Scientism is something that has long stalked the Church and post V2 there was an easy vacuum for it, for nature abhors a vacuum.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: DigitalLogos on October 25, 2021, 03:59:21 PM
Okay, don't gag, but perhaps someone can let me know what they think of what is said here, especially in regard to the thinking of John Paul II.

https://youtu.be/P4TJDaL37Zo
A prime example as to why I unsubscribed from The Meaning of Catholic. What ʝʊdɛօ-Catholic Nu-church drivel.
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: DigitalLogos on October 25, 2021, 07:02:37 PM
https://youtu.be/7nBYDsf4qDU
https://youtu.be/UPB7ao4z-3U
Part III of DefeatModernism's Chiesa Viva reading is up.

I've attached the english pdf if anyone would rather read it than listen to it.


https://youtu.be/3m7BlbEVkds
Title: Re: JP2 Doctor of the Church?
Post by: DigitalLogos on October 27, 2021, 09:15:21 AM
Part III of DefeatModernism's Chiesa Viva reading is up.

I've attached the english pdf if anyone would rather read it than listen to it.


https://youtu.be/3m7BlbEVkds
Part 4 will be up this afternoon. The issue of Chiesa Viva being read is posted above for those who would rather read it.

https://youtu.be/oovZZHSRlN8