I was told that Fr. Jenkins did call Fr. Ramolla upon hearing what happened to him at SGG & offer him to come stay at IC.  Fr. Ramolla went to Kentucky to stay with Fr. Thielen.  Fr. Ramolla told me himself that Fr. Jenkins wanted to talk to him, but he has been very busy & they've played phone tag & last I heard still hadn't gotten to talk.  

I was told that Fr. Jenkins did call Fr. Ramolla upon hearing what happened to him at SGG & offer him to come stay at IC.  Fr. Ramolla went to Kentucky to stay with Fr. Thielen. ...  

 :sheep:  This has all gotten rather crazy for the sheep grazing up the hill on a meadow.  Who is Father Thielen and what are his qualifications and why does he seem to come and go like a shadow on a partly cloudy day?  Does he have a duty station in Kentucky?  And what happened to the nun who was always at the beck and call of SGG?  Has she gone elsewhere or is there new concrete in the floor of the basement?

All that is happening now with SGG is extremely embarrassing to all involved, including Fr. J & Fr. G.

How could that be, if they have been truthful all along?

Quote from: Catherine

All that is happening now with SGG is extremely embarrassing to all involved, including Fr. J & Fr. G.

How could that be, if they have been truthful all along?

I know it's embarrassing to me even though I am not attending Mass there at SGG, just because I am a Traditional Roman Catholic who goes to the Latin Mass & the happenings at SGG does not reflect well for any of us.  Fr. J & Fr. G also are Traditional, & people outside who do not know the differences between the groups although all Traditional will just label us all the same.  

Quote from: St. Matthew 18:15-18

15 But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.
16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand.
17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

Here are the facts. I'm sticking to facts here, and you'll note that the tone of this post is very matter-of-fact. I have nothing against McKenzie, but I am sad to see him lending his skills to, and throwing his lot in with, such a wretched cause.

I knew McKenzie for over 3 years. We attended St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary together. He was in the year above me. I also kept in contact with him after we both left, to work on CathInst.com (I picked that domain name -- His choice was CatholicInstituteOfArtsAndLetters.com).

I've read through the material on Laypopes -- which I saved off, in case Google cache purges it -- and it sounds like something McKenzie would write. ESPECIALLY THE POEM. The Poem is very advanced and would take a good poet to write. McKenzie is the only one I know who could write a poem like that.

It would make sense that McKenzie wrote much of the Laypopes.com website.

Firstly, most people hesitate to accuse another of a fault that they themselves possess. But most of the complaints about Droleskey wouldn't apply to McKenzie; to wit:

* McKenzie is a polyglot. Besides English, he is fluent in French and knows Latin very well. He knows Italian to some degree, and I know he was studying Greek, so he may be familiar with that language as well. Note that Laypopes.com criticizes Droleskey for "possessing neither modern nor classical languages".
Even among the seminarians, he was on top. A couple of seminarians had a 2nd language, but only McKenzie needed 2 hands to count the languages he knew.

* Laypopes also faults Droleskey for not having training as a Theologian -- note that McKenzie did make it into the "Theology" portion (Years 4-5-6) of Seminary studies.

* Laypopes criticizes Droleskey for not having traveled outside the US. McKenzie has been to Europe (and Scotland) many times, so he would certainly qualify as "well traveled".

* McKenzie is certainly well educated. It's true that Droleskey has a PhD, but it's "only" in Political Science. I can see how someone with a classical education would look down upon someone with a modern "political science" degree.
Besides, it's quite possible that McKenzie has the better education and intelligence of the two (that's not an insult to Droleskey on either head. McKenzie is highly educated and intelligent!). So that's why Laypopes assails Droleskey's educational qualifications.


Furthermore, there are other clues that jump out at me:

* I wrote to McKenzie over 26 hours ago (12/8/09, 9:23 AM), asking him if he has anything to do with Laypopes.com, and have yet received no response. I also e-mailed him asking if he was Nick from CathInfo. I sent a third e-mail as well, asking if he could please respond to my first e-mails soon, as it was an important matter. His silence speaks volumes. Why wouldn't he deny it quickly, if he truly wasn't involved? If he only promoted laypopes but didn't write it, why not say "Oh no no no -- I didn't write it. I just passed on a forward from ___." But Droleskey AND myself have both received only silence in response to our inquiries. And my e-mail wasn't a grilling session -- it just had an honest question -- "Are you involved with Laypopes.com".
It's not like he doesn't have e-mail. I received an e-mail from him (cathinst@comcast.net) just a few weeks ago on the occasion of my birthday.

* McKenzie has attended soirees and hob-nobbed with the greatest modern poets of our day. He considers himself a genuine poet. Not that I disagree. I'm just saying it's significant in light of the fact that Laypopes makes the claim that the Ballad was written by a "genuine poet".

* Laypopes sounds like it's written by an American -- McKenzie talks like a pretty normal American, by the way -- yet it criticizes the vast majority of Americans (knowing only English, having an America-centric view of the world, lacking a true Classical education, lacking culture, etc.)

* Laypopes claims that the author belongs to "no American Church" -- he never said he was foreign. He seems to be carefully choosing his words, to avoid actual lying. At any rate, I don't know where McKenzie goes to Mass these days, but I do know that he became a Sedevacantist, and began detesting the SSPX. So not belonging to a church could be easily envisioned in McKenzie's case.

Matthew

If McKenzie is really behind that smash-fest "website", as appears to be the case, it is quite sad that he has chosen to abuse his talents and capacity in this fashion. :sad: He has published to the world striking evidence that he is no gentleman. That website is one of the worst things that I have seen. It is devoid of respect, dignity, honesty, charity, and humility. It is through and through disgusting. I cannot force myself to read all of it.  :barf: The only thing I can say is that he needs our prayers, as well as the rest of SGG, that they will come to repentance and virtue.   It truly is a sad sight.

Fr. J & Fr. G want to talk to Fr. Ramolla themselves to let him know, from them, exactly what is going on.

So what exactly is going on?  

At least Fr Ramolla tries to protect the children unlike Fr J and Fr G  who protect and then elevate bullies

The only reason Father J is not out at ICA is because his name is  on the deed