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Offline Melanie

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Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
« on: October 27, 2022, 06:10:22 AM »
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    • So, this is a terrible thing and it is a pattern of behavior that I find with bad guys of all different stripes.  They do it through all sorts of medium, movies, novels, fake popes, etc.  They promote the idea that sin and error are ubiquitous.  Hey, if your conscience twinges when you see impure images, don’t be so silly because the holiest people are actually watching pornography.  Hey, if you are concerned that some imposter church is teaching error, don’t be so silly the Church has always taught error.  It’s designed to do so many bad things to faith.  Despair that if nobody else can refrain from some sin how can I hope to, doubt because if the Church has always taught error how can I know the truth and why do I believe the Church at all.  This Jorge creep is so evil but I see this effort to cause despair and loss of faith from so many fronts other than the New Order as well. It’s bad.
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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #1 on: October 27, 2022, 06:18:22 AM »
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    • Jorge is getting worse instead of better. 

    We know that many in religious life.  Many pervert priests would introduce pornography as a grooming tool before raping children. 

    Jorge was selected to bring the Church down.  What is sickening is that some of the so called clergy, laity and non Catholics love him.  Others don’t love him but in order to keep their novus Ordo audience will write books and have shows quoting the imposters Jorge, John Paul. 
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #2 on: October 27, 2022, 06:37:19 AM »
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    • https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/10/26/pope-francis-warns-against-watching-porn-priests-nuns/10608614002/

    It would be good to post a linke of what he actually said.

    While I'm (obviously) no fan of Bergoglio, what he's saying is not factually inaccurate.  Priests are constantly getting arrested for child porn, and I'm sure that just the tip of the iceberg compared to the "legal" porn that they're watching.  I haven't heard much about this among nuns.

    What's at issue is why there are so many priests and nuns and laity watching porn.  It's because they're not receiving the proper spiritual nourishment, nor the proper guidance ... from these pseudo hierarchs.  Conciliars have dumped Traditional spirituality in favor of some natural counterfeit that does not satisfy or fortify people.  Also, the Church should be a force in society against pornography, but as with most moral issues has done nothing.
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #3 on: October 27, 2022, 06:40:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Melanie on October 27, 2022, 06:10:22 AM
    They promote the idea that sin and error are ubiquitous.  Hey, if your conscience twinges when you see impure images, don’t be so silly because the holiest people are actually watching pornography.

    Unfortunately, it pretty much is ubiquitous these days, and it's because the light of the Church has been eclipsed by the Conciliar couterfeit.  Bergoglio at least here says it's a bad thing (didn't seem to be condoning it) ... though was not nearly strong enough about it.

    Bergoglio:
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    "It is a vice that has so many people, so many lay people, so many lay women and also priests and nuns. The devil enters from there."

    He calls it a vice through which the devil enters.  So at least he's not condoning it ... which is what I was half expecting when I first saw this thread.
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #4 on: October 27, 2022, 07:10:57 AM »
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    • I think the OP might be addressing the fact that he lumps the clergy and religious in with the laity.  Hey, they're just like you.  No, they're not just like us.  
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #5 on: October 27, 2022, 07:14:01 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on October 27, 2022, 07:10:57 AM
    I think the OP might be addressing the fact that he lumps the clergy and religious in with the laity.  Hey, they're just like you.  No, they're not just like us. 

    Sure they are.  Conciliar priests and nuns are basically just lay people. ;)
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #6 on: October 27, 2022, 07:14:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 27, 2022, 07:14:01 AM
    Sure they are.  Conciliar priests and nuns are basically just lay people. ;)
    Ha ha ha..you got me.
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #7 on: October 27, 2022, 07:17:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 27, 2022, 06:40:27 AM
    Unfortunately, it pretty much is ubiquitous these days, and it's because the light of the Church has been eclipsed by the Conciliar couterfeit.  Bergoglio at least here says it's a bad thing (didn't seem to be condoning it) ... though was not nearly strong enough about it.

    Bergoglio:
    He calls it a vice through which the devil enters.  So at least he's not condoning it ... which is what I was half expecting when I first saw this thread.
    I’m unsurprised that you are critical of my topic as you are someone I had in mind with your frequent and vigorous sermonizing on the importance of rejecting the Church’s teaching about BoD and BoB.  It is safe to believe because the Church has taught us that this is so; to proclaim the contrary engenders distrust of Church teaching.
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #8 on: October 27, 2022, 07:30:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Melanie on October 27, 2022, 06:10:22 AM
    So, this is a terrible thing and it is a pattern of behavior that I find with bad guys of all different stripes.  They do it through all sorts of medium, movies, novels, fake popes, etc.  They promote the idea that sin and error are ubiquitous.  Hey, if your conscience twinges when you see impure images, don’t be so silly because the holiest people are actually watching pornography.  Hey, if you are concerned that some imposter church is teaching error, don’t be so silly the Church has always taught error.  It’s designed to do so many bad things to faith.  Despair that if nobody else can refrain from some sin how can I hope to, doubt because if the Church has always taught error how can I know the truth and why do I believe the Church at all.  This Jorge creep is so evil but I see this effort to cause despair and loss of faith from so many fronts other than the New Order as well. It’s bad.

    The Church has not taught error. The Church does not condone porn. Just because a Modernist Pope says something stupid, this doesn't mean it's Church teaching. We still have access to Truth, despite what Francis may say or do. We know that porn is wrong and sinful. All Catholics (even conciliar ones) have access to Truth, if only they would want to know it.

    Though I do tend to agree with you about BoD.
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #9 on: October 27, 2022, 07:30:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Melanie on October 27, 2022, 07:17:28 AM
    I’m unsurprised that you are critical of my topic as you are someone I had in mind with your frequent and vigorous sermonizing on the importance of rejecting the Church’s teaching about BoD and BoB.  It is safe to believe because the Church has taught us that this is so; to proclaim the contrary engenders distrust of Church teaching.

    This is a rather pathetic atttempt to change the subject.  There's an ongoing thread about the subject in other forum, where you can air your views.  This is pathetic when on just about every subject various individuals simply throw unrelated ad hominems at people. 

    Back to the subject at hand, your thread is garbage, as you didin't even bother to post a link to that which, it became obvious, you were distorting.

    You also distort my views on BoD and slander me in the same sentence.  I have always clearly said that it's not unacceptalbe for people to believe in a BoD/BoB in the way that it was understood by the Church doctors, but object to those who effectively deny EENS dogma, promote Pelagianism, and deny Trent's teaching that the Sacraments are necessary for salvation ... which does in fact represent 95% plus of BoDers.
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #10 on: October 27, 2022, 07:33:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on October 27, 2022, 07:30:13 AM
    The Church has not taught error. The Church does not condone porn. Just because a Modernist Pope says something stupid, this doesn't mean it's Church teaching. We still have access to Truth, despite what Francis may say or do. We know that porn is wrong and sinful. All Catholics (even conciliar ones) have access to Truth, if only they would want to know it.

    Though I do tend to agree with you about BoD.

    But that's the thing.  As you know, I have no love for Jorge Begoglio.  But Bergolgio was NOT condonig porn.  He called it a vice through which the devil enters.  One could argue that he was weak in condemning it, and that's not news for him, but the OP basically made it sound like Bergolgio was condoning porn, when Bergoglio did no such thing.  He calle it a vice through which the devil enters, and was urging people to delete pornographic material from their electronic devices.

    You know that as a "sede", I really hold back no punches about Bergoglio.  But I also believe in being fair and accurate ... even to Bergoglio.
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #11 on: October 27, 2022, 07:35:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 27, 2022, 07:33:31 AM
    But that's the thing.  As you know, I have no love for Jorge Begoglio.  But Bergolgio was NOT condonig porn.  He called it a vice through which the devil enters.  One could argue that he was weak in condemning it, and that's not news for him, but the OP basically made it sound like Bergolgio was condoning porn, when Bergoglio did no such thing.  He calle it a vice through which the devil enters, and was urging people to delete pornographic material from their electronic devices.

    Okay, thanks for the correction. I didn't read the original quote or context.
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #12 on: October 27, 2022, 07:38:29 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on October 27, 2022, 07:35:09 AM
    Okay, thanks for the correction. I didn't read the original quote or context.

    Right, that's why I objected to the thread.  Without posting a link, it clearly gave the implication that you took away from it that Bergoglio was condoning porn.  He was not.  Now, he fell short of calling it a sin and an offense against God, but he did call it a vice through which the devil enters and was urging people to delete the stufff from their electronic devices.
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #13 on: October 27, 2022, 07:48:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 27, 2022, 07:38:29 AM
    Right, that's why I objected to the thread.  Without posting a link, it clearly gave the implication that you took away from it that Bergoglio was condoning porn.  He was not.  Now, he fell short of calling it a sin and an offense against God, but he did call it a vice through which the devil enters and was urging people to delete the stufff from their electronic devices.

    Wow...I'm surprised that Francis would even call it a vice through which the devil enters, and that he urged people to delete it from their electronic devices. That's a good thing. Maybe there's some hope for him after all. Probably not much, but a little maybe. 
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    Re: Jorge tells the world that priests and nuns watch pornography
    « Reply #14 on: October 27, 2022, 08:04:15 AM »
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    • I'm happy that Bergoglio had enough sense to address this horrible vice.
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