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Joint Catholic-Lutheran "Common Prayer" prepared for 2017
« on: January 15, 2016, 02:07:55 PM »
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    Press Release: A joint Catholic-Lutheran “Common Prayer” for 500 years of Reformation

        GENEVA/VATICAN CITY, 11 January 2016 - The Lutheran World Federation (LWF) and the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity (PCPCU) have invited Lutheran churches and Catholic bishops’ conferences across the world to make use of a jointly-developed Common Prayer to prepare commemorations for the 500 years of the Reformation in 2017.   . . .

    The opening prayer of the service prays that the Lord "help us to rejoice in the gifts that have come to the Church through the Reformation, prepare us to repent for the dividing walls that we, and our forebears, have built, and equip us for common witness and service in the world".

    Another prayer runs as follows:

        Thanks be to you O God for the many guiding theological and spiritual insights that we have all received through the Reformation. Thanks be to you for the good transformations and reforms that were set in motion by the Reformation or by struggling with its challenges. Thanks be to you for the proclamation of the gospel that occurred during the Reformation and that since then has strengthened countless people to live lives of faith in Jesus Christ.   . . .


    Repeating REFORMATION three times in that last common prayer is so redundant. It is obvious that the Vatican II Reformers want to make sure people get the point. The Novus Ordo (NO) Missae is based on the 1904 Lutheran Hymnal English service. Now NO Catholics will get the full reformed treatment unless Christ comes before 2017.

    To read the complete article, please click http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/01/important-lutheran-world-federation.html
    Lord have mercy.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #1 on: January 15, 2016, 03:10:54 PM »
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  • The problem with "Reformation" is that it's a misspelled word;  should be Deformation.

    Then the so-called common prayer would go like this:

        Thanks be to you O God for the many guiding theological and spiritual insights that we have all received through the Deformation. Thanks be to you for the good transformations and reforms that were set in motion by the Deformation or by struggling with its challenges. Thanks be to you for the proclamation of the gospel that occurred during the Deformation and that since then has strengthened countless people to live lives of faith in Jesus Christ.   . . .

    Now it's starting to make sense!!

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    « Reply #2 on: January 15, 2016, 03:34:25 PM »
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    The problem with "Reformation" is that it's a misspelled word;  should be Deformation.

    Then the so-called common prayer would go like this:

        Lord have mercy on us for we have sinned. O God save us and protect us from the many false theological and New Age teachings that have spread throughout the world through the Deformation of Vatican II. Save us from all the horrific transformations, reforms, and struggles that were set in motion by this Deformation. Thanks be to Thee, O Christ-God, for the proclamation of the gospel in private homes, missions, and chapels that has occurred in spite of this time of the Deformation and that through this Traditional Movement has strengthened countless people to live lives of faith in Jesus Christ.   . . .

    Now it's starting to make sense!!



    FIFY
    Lord have mercy.

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    « Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 05:58:38 PM »
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    Another prayer runs as follows:

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    Thanks be to you O God for the many guiding theological and spiritual insights that we have all received through the Reformation. Thanks be to you for the good transformations and reforms that were set in motion by the Reformation or by struggling with its challenges. Thanks be to you for the proclamation of the gospel that occurred during the Reformation and that since then has strengthened countless people to live lives of faith in Jesus Christ.   . . .


    To read the complete article, please click http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/01/important-lutheran-world-federation.html


    One of my friends wrote to me:

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    That is a prayer to Satan, who is unmistakably the author of the "gift" of the many heresies and evils that have come from the Reformation itself. ...  Are these Ecuмenists THAT STUPID?


    And my reply to him was:

    No, these Ecuмenists are not stupid. They worship Satan because their Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ "god" is Satan.

    However, at the Last Judgment, they will be condemned for their foolishness.

    Lord have mercy.

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    « Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 06:09:30 PM »
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  • The Vatican is merely preparing the way for a "common" sharing of the "Eucharistic meal" between them and the Lutherans.


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    « Reply #5 on: January 16, 2016, 07:50:19 PM »
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  • Will they canonize Luther too?
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 08:04:36 PM »
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    Will they canonize Luther too?

    When I told my priest about this announcement from the Vatican saying that 2017 will be 500 years since the Deformation began, with no mention of the centennial of Fatima, he told me he thinks they're getting ready to canonize Luther.  

    I was just as shocked to hear that as I was to hear about 10 years ago that there was an "accord" with the Lutherans in progress.  So maybe we're in for getting more shocks??!!

    After the craziness of the JPII so-called canonization, it's not a huge leap anymore to see it done for the arch-heretic Luther.  The hermeneutic of continuity comes to mind, which says that a thing can be something and not be that same thing at the same time.  IOW utter insanity.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 08:08:44 PM »
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  • 2017 is the 100th anniversary of FATIMA.  This event should be the only
    event celebrated in the Catholic World.
    Catholics would sin mortally having anything to do with the heretical
    joint Catholic-Lutheran "Common Prayer" in celebration of the 500
    years of the Protestant Reformation.

    To refresh our memories , here is a post from a few years ago,
    "Mystery of the Wizard Clip" of a Lutheran Family that converted
    to the Catholic Religion 200 years ago in America. Martin Luther
    is in Hell. And every soul that is damned because of his errors, the
    fires in hell gets hotter.


    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/THE-MYSTERY-OF-THE-WIZARD-CLIP


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    « Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 08:15:02 PM »
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  • If America Needs Fatima is New Order, how will they manage this?

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    « Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 09:34:09 PM »
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  • St. Thomas Moore thought Luther was either the anti-Christ or, at the very least, his prophet.  
    "For nothing more glorious, nothing nobler, nothing surely more honorable can be imagined than to belong to the One, Holy Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church." -Pope Pius XII

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    « Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 10:25:14 PM »
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    2017 is the 100th anniversary of FATIMA.  This event should be the only
    event celebrated in the Catholic World.
    Catholics would sin mortally having anything to do with the heretical
    joint Catholic-Lutheran "Common Prayer" in celebration of the 500
    years of the Protestant Reformation.

    To refresh our memories , here is a post from a few years ago,
    "Mystery of the Wizard Clip" of a Lutheran Family that converted
    to the Catholic Religion 200 years ago in America. Martin Luther
    is in Hell. And every soul that is damned because of his errors, the
    fires in hell gets hotter.


    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/THE-MYSTERY-OF-THE-WIZARD-CLIP


    Thanks for sharing The Mystery of the Wizard Clip, in which it mentions how the Lutherans are lost. Since Martin Luther is in Hell, how can he be canonized? Canonization does not remit the sins that damned him.

    What does it mean now the Catholic Church has adopted the Novus Ordo, which was taken from the Lutheran Liturgy?

    If Lutherans go to Hell, what will happen with Catholics including the Pope who pray the Novus Ordo Lutheran Liturgy?
    Lord have mercy.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 17, 2016, 10:29:23 AM »
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    Will they canonize Luther too?

    When I told my priest about this announcement from the Vatican saying that 2017 will be 500 years since the Deformation began, with no mention of the centennial of Fatima, he told me he thinks they're getting ready to canonize Luther.  

    I was just as shocked to hear that as I was to hear about 10 years ago that there was an "accord" with the Lutherans in progress.  So maybe we're in for getting more shocks??!!

    After the craziness of the JPII so-called canonization, it's not a huge leap anymore to see it done for the arch-heretic Luther.  The hermeneutic of continuity comes to mind, which says that a thing can be something and not be that same thing at the same time.  IOW utter insanity.

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    Ten years ago I too heard about the dialogue going on between the Vatican and the Lutherans for a joint celebration of the 500 years of Luthers posting on the door.

    30 or so years ago the Lutherans were calling for his canonization.  Funny they acknowledged they needed the Catholic church to do this thereby admitting they didn't have the power.  So why aren't they Catholic?

    I think this 500 year anniversary will be the excuse to join the Lutherans with the Novus Ordo.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    « Reply #12 on: January 19, 2016, 02:53:57 PM »
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    Will they canonize Luther too?

    When I told my priest about this announcement from the Vatican saying that 2017 will be 500 years since the Deformation began, with no mention of the centennial of Fatima, he told me he thinks they're getting ready to canonize Luther.  

    I was just as shocked to hear that as I was to hear about 10 years ago that there was an "accord" with the Lutherans in progress.  So maybe we're in for getting more shocks??!!

    After the craziness of the JPII so-called canonization, it's not a huge leap anymore to see it done for the arch-heretic Luther.  The hermeneutic of continuity comes to mind, which says that a thing can be something and not be that same thing at the same time.  IOW utter insanity.

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    Ten years ago I too heard about the dialogue going on between the Vatican and the Lutherans for a joint celebration of the 500 years of Luthers posting on the door.

    30 or so years ago the Lutherans were calling for his canonization.  Funny they acknowledged they needed the Catholic church to do this thereby admitting they didn't have the power.  So why aren't they Catholic?

    I think this 500 year anniversary will be the excuse to join the Lutherans with the Novus Ordo.


    Back in 1965, the Pope and the EP celebrated the lifting of the Anathemas of 1054. And in the "spirit" of Vatican II began to have ecuмenical services together.

    What is to prevent the Pope from lifting the Anathemas of the Council of Trent and then canonizing Martin Luther? Already, Catholic Bishops, Cardinals, and even the Pope have been having ecuмenical services with the Lutherans. Have the anathemas of the Council of Trent been secretly lifted?

    If one council can anathematize heretics and their errors, then as we are already beginning to see with the so-called lifting of the anathemas of 1054, "by rights" a future council or Pope can un-anathematize them without them making any changes or recantations!

    How far will changes go?
    Lord have mercy.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 19, 2016, 03:03:19 PM »
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    Will they canonize Luther too?

    When I told my priest about this announcement from the Vatican saying that 2017 will be 500 years since the Deformation began, with no mention of the centennial of Fatima, he told me he thinks they're getting ready to canonize Luther.  

    I was just as shocked to hear that as I was to hear about 10 years ago that there was an "accord" with the Lutherans in progress.  So maybe we're in for getting more shocks??!!

    After the craziness of the JPII so-called canonization, it's not a huge leap anymore to see it done for the arch-heretic Luther.  The hermeneutic of continuity comes to mind, which says that a thing can be something and not be that same thing at the same time.  IOW utter insanity.

    .


    Ten years ago I too heard about the dialogue going on between the Vatican and the Lutherans for a joint celebration of the 500 years of Luthers posting on the door.

    30 or so years ago the Lutherans were calling for his canonization.  Funny they acknowledged they needed the Catholic church to do this thereby admitting they didn't have the power.  So why aren't they Catholic?

    I think this 500 year anniversary will be the excuse to join the Lutherans with the Novus Ordo.


    Back in 1965, the Pope and the EP celebrated the lifting of the Anathemas of 1054. And in the "spirit" of Vatican II began to have ecuмenical services together.

    What is to prevent the Pope from lifting the Anathemas of the Council of Trent and then canonizing Martin Luther? Already, Catholic Bishops, Cardinals, and even the Pope have been having ecuмenical services with the Lutherans. Have the anathemas of the Council of Trent been secretly lifted?

    If one council can anathematize heretics and their errors, then as we are already beginning to see with the so-called lifting of the anathemas of 1054, "by rights" a future council or Pope can un-anathematize them without them making any changes or recantations!

    How far will changes go?


    If Christ's Church subsists in the Catholic Church, then why would there be a need for anathemas?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    « Reply #14 on: January 19, 2016, 03:06:15 PM »
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    What is to prevent the Pope from lifting the Anathemas of the Council of Trent and then canonizing Martin Luther? Already, Catholic Bishops, Cardinals, and even the Pope have been having ecuмenical services with the Lutherans. Have the anathemas of the Council of Trent been secretly lifted?
     


    Well, informally, they have been declared not to apply to modern day Lutherans in the Joint Declaration from some years ago.

    However, contrary to the Excommunication of 1054, which was directed specifically at the Patriarch/church of Constantinopolis, the Anathemas of Trent are generic, ipso facto excommunications applied and applicable to anyone who contradicts the Divine Truths expressed in the Council text itself.

    In fact, I would argue, they are not revokable, and were in effect even before the Council, as they simply condemn heretical positions, which themselves were already so, and always will.

    From that point of view, the Council of Trent simply declared infallibly those condemnations, in the sense of making them known, public and notorious, but the efficacy stems directly from Divine Law.


    So, if anyone were to attempt to simply denounce them as invalid, it would equate to endorsing the heresies themselves, and he himself would be under anathema with all that entails.

    In fact, it is often argued the two unPopes responsible for the Declaration, and everyone involved, did already.