Who is the man in this video talking about John Vennari? It is not one of the Dimond brothers. Is this man another brother at the monastery? I have heard him on other MHFM videos in the past but he never said who he was in those videos.

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why are we posting the dimond heretic videos?

Why are they heretics?

Many trads call them heretics, usually for the same reason, because they do not believe in BOD or  BOB and they are vocal about it.

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How would that make them heretics?

Because they think not believing in BOD and BOB is a heresy. They think BOD and BOB are dogmas.

I think you have it backwards there. They think that believing in BOD/BOB is a heresy. They think that BOD and BOB are heresies.
If that is what you meant, because it's what they believe, then I still don't see how that makes them heretics.
They are defending the faith.

I am sorry for being confusing, but in my last post when I said "they" I was not referring to the Dimonds, but those that condemn them. Those who condemn the Dimonds think BOD and BOB are dogmas. They argue that Trent teaches BOD infallibly and that since Trent, to not believe in BOD is heresy. They also point to Catechisms which teach BOD and to saints who believed in BOD.

I think it is strange when I see the Dimond's condemned by trads and sedevacantists because they are condemned very harshly like they are the worst people on earth and deserve to be burned at the stake. They seem to be hated. In my opinion they are treated more harshly by trads than almost everyone else (except maybe Richard Ibranyi) including the modernists who have destryoed the Church.

I started to watch the video--curious about what they were going to say.  I turned it off when the narrator started to talk about "the heretic, Father Fenton."

I believe Fr. Fenton believed that one had to have explicit belief in the Blessed Trinity and the incarnation to be saved so wouldn't many of those who condemn the Dimonds as heretics also condemn Fr. Fenton or at least say he was in error?

Since I have defended the Dimonds in this thread I thought I should let you know what I think about them.

When I first converted, their website was instrumental in my learning about the errors of Vatican II and the New Mass and all of the other problems. So I owe them a great debt.

However, I disagree with them sometimes. For example I believe in BOD and BOB for those who believe in the mysteries of the Catholic faith. And I do not agree with their explanations of the Apocalypse and their belief that John Paul II was the Antichrist. I also think they condemn too many people and seem to think badly about people instead of giving them the benefit of doubt.

But I do not want to say they are wrong. Why? Because in these times with either no Pope or an antipope it is hard to say what is true and what is false. There are controversies and the Church is not currently able to resolve these controversies. Is the Novus Ordo Mass and the New rites of ordination and consecration invalid? I don't know, only the Church can decide. So before people condemn the Dimonds as heretics for not believing in BOD I ask you a question. What would you do if we had a true Pope who came and solved all the problems in the Church and condemned Vatican II and the Novus Ordo and brought the traditional Mass back, but he also condemned BOD and BOB. Would you humble yourselves and admit that you were mistaken or would you decide the Pope was wrong and seperate yourselves from him?

When I first converted, their website was instrumental in my learning about the errors of Vatican II and the New Mass and all of the other problems. So I owe them a great debt.

Same with me, their website was very helpful in my conversion to Traditional Catholicism - whether you agree with them or not, their materials exposing the heresies of Vatican II and Vatican II claimants to the Papacy are extremely helpful.

They also have great apologetic materials against Protestantism - their docuмentary on Mary's sinlesness and refutation of the Protestant doctrine of forensic justification, and shorter videos on Romans 8, Papacy in the Bible and Galatians 5:19-21 are terrific.

However, I disagree with them sometimes. For example I believe in BOD and BOB for those who believe in the mysteries of the Catholic faith. And I do not agree with their explanations of the Apocalypse and their belief that John Paul II was the Antichrist. I also think they condemn too many people and seem to think badly about people instead of giving them the benefit of doubt.

But I do not want to say they are wrong. Why? Because in these times with either no Pope or an antipope it is hard to say what is true and what is false. There are controversies and the Church is not currently able to resolve these controversies. Is the Novus Ordo Mass and the New rites of ordination and consecration invalid? I don't know, only the Church can decide. So before people condemn the Dimonds as heretics for not believing in BOD I ask you a question. What would you do if we had a true Pope who came and solved all the problems in the Church and condemned Vatican II and the Novus Ordo and brought the traditional Mass back, but he also condemned BOD and BOB. Would you humble yourselves and admit that you were mistaken or would you decide the Pope was wrong and seperate yourselves from him?

I agree with everything you said here. I think the reason why they are so hated is not only the BoD/BoB issue, but also the fact that they condemn as heretics anyone who disagrees with them over almost any issue. I can't think of a single Traditional Catholic priest or well-known laymen who would meet Dimonds' criteria of Catholic orthodoxy. They don't seem to take into account that we are living in times of great confusion, which they experienced themselves - at least Michael Dimond once condemned sedevacantism. And sometimes they have problems with making necessary theological distinctions.