Author Topic: John Vennari Decoded - New Video (Read 6853 times)

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #30 on:** August 01, 2016, 11:29:53 AM »

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First, you are saying that a Canonized Saint who made an error and thought that a person could obtain BOD

You have the temerity to accuse a Doctor of the Church of making a theological error on the eve of the anniversary of his death? What's your proof? Can you quote any pre-Vatican 2 theologian other than those associated with Fr. Feeney who affirms that St. Alphonsus was in error?

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #31 on:** August 01, 2016, 11:34:00 AM »

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But of course we know St. Alphonsus was not a formal heretic, he was at most mistaken in good will (if BoD is indeed heresy as Dimonds claim)

I beg you please not to imply that a Doctor of the Church was mistaken about a point of theology unless you can provide proof of it. Please quote a pre-Vatican 2 theologian or pope who affirms that St. Alphonsus was in error.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #32 on:** August 01, 2016, 11:39:09 AM »

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But of course we know St. Alphonsus was not a formal heretic, he was at most mistaken in good will (if BoD is indeed heresy as Dimonds claim)

I beg you please not to imply that a Doctor of the Church was mistaken about a point of theology unless you can provide proof of it. Please quote a pre-Vatican 2 theologian or pope who affirms that St. Alphonsus was in error.

Quite gracious of him not to call him a formal heretic huh? :roll-laugh1: I guess that means he was a materiel heretic. :roll-laugh2: And a public heretic at that so he was not Pope-worthy. These feeneyites really get themselves in a bind don't they.

Arvinger · « **Reply #33 on:** August 01, 2016, 12:14:31 PM »

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But of course we know St. Alphonsus was not a formal heretic, he was at most mistaken in good will (if BoD is indeed heresy as Dimonds claim)

I beg you please not to imply that a Doctor of the Church was mistaken about a point of theology unless you can provide proof of it. Please quote a pre-Vatican 2 theologian or pope who affirms that St. Alphonsus was in error.

Quite gracious of him not to call him a formal heretic huh? :roll-laugh1: I guess that means he was a materiel heretic. :roll-laugh2: And a public heretic at that so he was not Pope-worthy. These feeneyites really get themselves in a bind don't they.

Evidently both of you have not read the context of what I wrote. I wrote that St. Alphonsus was innocently wrong if the Dimonds are right about Thomistic BoD being a heresy (I went to grat length to emphasize that). And I disagree with them on that, I affirm Thomistic BoD. My point was not to discuss BoD, but to show how differently Dimonds treat St. Alphonsus and +Lefebvre.

cathman7 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 01, 2016, 12:17:46 PM »

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I started to watch the video--curious about what they were going to say. I turned it off when the narrator started to talk about "the heretic, Father Fenton."

Exactly. If Fr. Fenton is a "heretic" then no one is a Catholic.

Always remember that Fr. Fenton was one of the 20th century theologians that via his teachings, helped usher in V2 and the NO.

I hope you are being sarcastic.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #35 on:** August 01, 2016, 12:28:44 PM »

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I started to watch the video--curious about what they were going to say. I turned it off when the narrator started to talk about "the heretic, Father Fenton."

Exactly. If Fr. Fenton is a "heretic" then no one is a Catholic.

Always remember that Fr. Fenton was one of the 20th century theologians that via his teachings, helped usher in V2 and the NO.

I hope you are being sarcastic.

He isn't.

Disputaciones · « **Reply #36 on:** August 01, 2016, 12:50:21 PM »

Well isn't that funny, Feeneyites being condemned by the one they got their errors from in the first place, Bob Dimond himself aka "Catholictrue."

Stubborn · « **Reply #37 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:11:13 PM »

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I started to watch the video--curious about what they were going to say. I turned it off when the narrator started to talk about "the heretic, Father Fenton."

Exactly. If Fr. Fenton is a "heretic" then no one is a Catholic.

Always remember that Fr. Fenton was one of the 20th century theologians that via his teachings, helped usher in V2 and the NO.

I hope you are being sarcastic.

No, I am not being sarcastic.

V2 did not happen overnight, it was a long time in the making and Fr. Fenton was one of those 20th century theologians who helped pave the way preaching V2 double talking ecclesiology years before V2.

Stubborn · « **Reply #38 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:14:35 PM »

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I started to watch the video--curious about what they were going to say. I turned it off when the narrator started to talk about "the heretic, Father Fenton."

Exactly. If Fr. Fenton is a "heretic" then no one is a Catholic.

Always remember that Fr. Fenton was one of the 20th century theologians that via his teachings, helped usher in V2 and the NO.

I hope you are being sarcastic.

He isn't.

You are a shining example. One need look no further than you to see the double talking V2 ecclesiology of Fr Fenton in all your posts. Most of the heresies you post as if they are Church teachings are the same things you learned from Fr. Fenton.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #39 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:18:20 PM »

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I started to watch the video--curious about what they were going to say. I turned it off when the narrator started to talk about "the heretic, Father Fenton."

Exactly. If Fr. Fenton is a "heretic" then no one is a Catholic.

Always remember that Fr. Fenton was one of the 20th century theologians that via his teachings, helped usher in V2 and the NO.

I hope you are being sarcastic.

No, I am not being sarcastic.

V2 did not happen overnight, it was a long time in the making and Fr. Fenton was one of those 20th century theologians who helped pave the way preaching V2 double talking ecclesiology years before V2.

Objectively speaking, what you say is quite evil and betray either a high amount of ignorance or bad will.

Stubborn · « **Reply #40 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:38:28 PM »

All anyone really needs to accept about Fr Fenton, is that he never defended the dogma when he had every opportunity to do so. Here he teaches contrary to dogmatic canons of Trent - same ecclesiology as V2, except he taught this at least 5 years before V2.

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"In other words, there is no reason apart from the positive will of God why a washing with water performed while the person administering the sacrament is uttering a definite formula should be necessary for the attainment of the Beatific Vision."

LoE reduces it further, to mere "water and words".

Again, LoE learned this stuff from somewhere - and it's common knowledge on CI that you quote Fr Fenton a lot.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #41 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:44:17 PM »

On the surface you appear to be a hopeless case Stubborn. Thank God there is a God because He can do miracles. It will take a little humility on your part though. To start it would help if you could respect one of the greatest pre-V2 Catholic theologians of the 20th century and also doubt yourself rather than Aquinas, Bellarmine, Liquori, Pius IX and Pius XII. That would be a key step, from there I believe God would do the rest if you let Him.

Matto · « **Reply #42 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:50:09 PM »

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To start it would help if you could respect one of the greatest pre-V2 Catholic theologians of the 20th century

I do not think there was a great theologian of the 20th century so if Fenton was one of the best in my opinion he was one of the best of a bad lot. I think the 20th century was one of Chastsement and the main way of chastising us was God sending us bad priests and bad Bishops. After Pope Pius X came the deluge and we are living through it.

Cantarella · « **Reply #43 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:52:01 PM »

The Cushinguites of CI, just as their conciliar Novus Ordo counterparts, go even further than Fenton. They believe that not even is Explicit Faith in the Holy Trinity and the Incarnation (at the very least) absolutely necessary for salvation. At least we have Fenton here agreeing that the supernatural Faith required for salvation must be Explicit in at least 4 points:

Quote from: Msgr. Fenton on The Meaning of the Church's Necessity for Salvation

Salvific faith must be explicit on four points. No man can believe in God as he must believe in order to possess the life of sanctifying grace without distinctly acknowledging the existence of God as the Head of the supernatural order, the fact that God thus rewards the good and punishes evil, the mystery of the Blessed Trinity, and the mystery of the Incarnation. The mystery of the Catholic Church is not one of these facts which must be believed explicitly in salvific faith.

But the Cushiguites, in their Devil-driven campaign to destroy EENS all the way, go even further affirming that only the 2 first requirements are needed. Of course, that leads to a complete relativism of the dogma and thus, any Jew can be said to have this supernatural Faith and be saved at last minute by a vague "implicit desire".

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #44 on:** August 01, 2016, 01:52:27 PM »

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To start it would help if you could respect one of the greatest pre-V2 Catholic theologians of the 20th century

I do not think there was a great theologian of the 20th century so if Fenton was one of the best in my opinion he was one of the best of a bad lot. I think the 20th century was one of Chastsement and the main way of chastising us was God sending us bad priests and bad Bishops. After Pope Pius X came the deluge and we are living through it.

One of us is correct on this issue and the other is not. I'll leave it at that.