I found Father Cekada's "Dead on Arrival" video about the S&S book to be very funny ... though, alas, at the expense of the authors.

I laughed way too hard at that video.  The way he was tearing apart the book and throwing it in the trash and his voice and inflections and mannerisms made it even more funny. 

I personally think Salsa is an infil-traitor.  I WANT to give him the benefit of the doubt but he trips way too many red flags to trust.  

Well, it's contrary to charity to not even listen to him or personally give him the benefit of the doubt regardless of his past, but that doesn't mean he should be trusted, especially in any kind of high profile role such as which he held.  It's analogous to Michael Voris.  I might listen to him, and personally assume that he had left his past life behind, but I would never let my young boys stay over his house for a sleepover, regardless of how "converted" he might be.  Same with Salza.  It's one thing to have welcomed him to Traditional Catholicism, but to allow him to assume such a high profile role as a regular speaker at conferences, etc.?  That's absurd, given that one of Masonry's goals is to infiltrate and subvert.  Who's to say that Salza didn't infiltrate Traditional Catholicism precisely to subvert or at least damage it?  After his "conversion," he still had no problems receiving awards from Masonic organizations.

I can't think of one layperson that I listen to as regards anything that has to do with our holy religion, I can think of only a few that I used to listen to - because over the years they have proven themselves to be at least unreliable, and/or have an ulterior motive or alternate agenda contrary to the actual truth, usually for profit - and at some point are usually exposed for what they are. Better to listen to those trad priests and clergy commissioned by the Church and not listen to laymen.   

I couldn't open your link- I didn't know if it was just me or across the board. It's a good show!

Oh, it might be across the board.  Maybe it's because the link is from the email I got directly from NOW. 

I see NOW also has a blog entry about this now:

Comedy Hour with Salza and Siscoe: The Great Apostasy is Catholic Traditionalism! – Novus Ordo Watch

So, in other words, you are the only one doing the dividing in this thread. Here I thought we could all agree that Salza was wrong about Trads in general.  But according to you, sedes aren't even Trads apparently.  Silly me.

S&S are what they are, I do not know much about them except for the little I read here on CI about them, they do not interest me nor does their book or what they have to say - about anything really. I do not involve or concern myself with their ideas or what they have to say.

I clicked on the video to give it a listen and heard more half truths from some lay man -  if he's the guy that runs NOW I would not know, but from reading this thread I gather that apparently he is, oh well. To me it's no comedy, not in the least.

I am not completely sure how that makes you think that that means that it is apparent that I do not consider sedes to be trads, but you're wrong there.

I posted the quote from Bonaventure to exemplify that we are not all lumped together, that there is a line there and although I sincerely wish it was not there, it's there, and it is a dividing line, one that keeps us from being lumped together. It's the elephant in the room.

 

S&S are what they are, I do not know much about them except for the little I read here on CI about them, they do not interest me nor does their book or what they have to say - about anything really. I do not involve or concern myself with their ideas or what they have to say.

I clicked on the video to give it a listen and heard more half truths from some lay man -  if he's the guy that runs NOW I would not know, but from reading this thread I gather that apparently he is, oh well. To me it's no comedy, not in the least.

I am not completely sure how that makes you think that that means that it is apparent that I do not consider sedes to be trads, but you're wrong there.

I posted the quote from Bonaventure to exemplify that we are not all lumped together, that there is a line there and although I sincerely wish it was not there, it's there, and it is a dividing line, one that keeps us from being lumped together. It's the elephant in the room.

If you don't care what S&S has to say/don't know much about them, then why give it a listen (but not give it a chance and listen to the whole thing), and then post something by some "laymen" on SD that happens to agree with your issues with "sedeism"? Suddenly it matters what a layman thinks.  Again, there was no need for that here. 

It's pretty clear why I think you don't think sedes are Trads from your post.  You didn't like lumping sedes with non-sedes when speaking of "Trads".  

Oh, it might be across the board.  Maybe it's because the link is from the email I got directly from NOW. 

I see NOW also has a blog entry about this now:

Comedy Hour with Salza and Siscoe: The Great Apostasy is Catholic Traditionalism! – Novus Ordo Watch

2V, I want to tell you that I really like your new avatar. 

I thought it was impossible to shock me into speechlessness by this late hour, but.................. I mean did these two men actually say this in public? If I hadn't heard it from their own mouths, I might be reluctant to believe it. What they said is certifiably clinically insane (psychotic break with reality), categorically irrational (the first principles and operations of reason are not operative in the minds of these "knowers"), and flagrantly stupid (as in manifesting essentially bovine brain function). 

Phew!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not arguing with you Stubborn....bottom line is that this thread was not meant to be a divisive one.  It is you who made it so.  You have yet to comment on the real subject matter: that Salza considers ALL trads to be the "Great Apostasy".

The podcast made it clear that he is considering all those who are against Vatican II as "Trad".  That includes ALL sedes and non-sedes that take issue with the NO religion (and don't just "prefer" the TLM) regardless of any other differences. In that sense, we are all Trad and we are all John Salza's target. 

Salza, the "ex-Freemason" crusader who "exposed" the Lodge, yet had no problem receiving an award from the masonic Order of the Sons of Italy?

For those unaware, check out this thread.

Can one actually ever be an "ex-freemason"?Sincere question .