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Offline 2Vermont

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John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
« on: May 06, 2024, 12:58:48 PM »
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #1 on: May 06, 2024, 01:07:19 PM »
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    • I heard this on Tradcast. It made me laugh

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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #2 on: May 06, 2024, 01:16:22 PM »
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    • Salza, the "ex-Freemason" crusader who "exposed" the Lodge, yet had no problem receiving an award from the masonic Order of the Sons of Italy?

    For those unaware, check out this thread.
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #3 on: May 06, 2024, 01:20:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 06, 2024, 01:07:19 PM
    I heard this on Tradcast. It made me laugh


    Yes, that was the link I provided, but I like yours better.
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #4 on: May 06, 2024, 02:12:05 PM »
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    • I found Father Cekada's "Dead on Arrival" video about the S&S book to be very funny ... though, alas, at the expense of the authors.
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #5 on: May 06, 2024, 02:15:23 PM »
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    • I listened to the first few minutes of the youtube, enough half truths in those few minutes so no need to listen to the whole thing.

    The truth remains that sedeism certainly isn't a doctrine, dogma, or a truth taught by the Catholic Church - and should never, not ever be treated as if it is - because that's heresy - sedeism *should* be treated as an opinion and nothing more, because that's what it is, always was and will be.

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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #6 on: May 06, 2024, 02:28:52 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on May 06, 2024, 02:15:23 PM
    enough half truths in those few minutes so no need to listen to the whole thing.

    Can you be more specific on what some of those half truths are.
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #7 on: May 06, 2024, 02:36:42 PM »
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    • When people make absurd hyperbolic statements, such as that Trads constitute the Great Apostasy, it's a sign of guilty conscience, where they know they're rejecting the truth and is related to sins against the Holy Spirit.  You'll find that the most virulent anti-Catholics among Prots are all the ex-Catholics, and they feel a need to justify to themselves more than to anyone else, to silence their consciences, and thus they hyperbolize the "evils" of the Catholic Church to the point of caricature.

    Either that or they're just deliberate/conscious moles who went in to disrupt the Traditional movement.
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #8 on: May 06, 2024, 03:17:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on May 06, 2024, 02:15:23 PM
    I listened to the first few minutes of the youtube, enough half truths in those few minutes so no need to listen to the whole thing.

    The truth remains that sedeism certainly isn't a doctrine, dogma, or a truth taught by the Catholic Church - and should never, not ever be treated as if it is - because that's heresy - sedeism *should* be treated as an opinion and nothing more, because that's what it is, always was and will be.
    I don't get it Stubborn.  This particular Tradcast was referring to Salza saying ALL of the Trads are the Great Apostasy, not just the sedes. Most of Mario's comments weren't focusing on "sedeism".  This was one of those times when we were all lumped together.  Salza doesn't differentiate between us....anymore.
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #9 on: May 06, 2024, 04:02:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on May 06, 2024, 03:17:17 PM
    I don't get it Stubborn.  This particular Tradcast was referring to Salza saying ALL of the Trads are the Great Apostasy, not just the sedes. Most of Mario's comments weren't focusing on "sedeism".  This was one of those times when we were all lumped together.  Salza doesn't differentiate between us....anymore.

    He's getting more and more like Meg, where he sees "sedeism" behind every bush.  This podcast was about Traditional Catholicism in general and had nothing to do with the R&R vs. SV debate.
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #10 on: May 06, 2024, 05:45:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on May 06, 2024, 01:20:01 PM
    Yes, that was the link I provided, but I like yours better.
    I couldn't open your link- I didn't know if it was just me or across the board. It's a good show!
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #11 on: May 06, 2024, 06:47:07 PM »
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    • To be charitable, I can’t really listen to anyone who made a huge sinful bad choice to join the free masons.  If you look at the facts and Church history, the novus Ordo broke off to create a new order World church with the help of radical liberal Protestants and even rabbis. 

    The Novus Ordo is the great apostasy; not traditional Catholicism.

    Most novus churches are starting to look the progressive Protestant churches.  Many have lame modern music and they have stages with tv screens up front.  They preach a false gospel of accepting mortal sin as the norm in church and society.  They are church controlled by the government which is communism.  There are plenty novus Ordo sodomite and adulterer friendly parishes.  The great apostasy is the rape of children which the novus ordo hierarchy condones. 

    Maybe former masons should read and comprehend the Bible which is the Word of God.  I don’t need to buy or read any books by Freemasons or branches of free masons posing as Catholic organizations.  One book to read is the douay rheims bible.

    Culture changes but The gospel of Jesus Christ remains the same! 



















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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #12 on: May 06, 2024, 07:06:56 PM »
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    • Well, it's contrary to charity to not even listen to him or personally give him the benefit of the doubt regardless of his past, but that doesn't mean he should be trusted, especially in any kind of high profile role such as which he held.  It's analogous to Michael Voris.  I might listen to him, and personally assume that he had left his past life behind, but I would never let my young boys stay over his house for a sleepover, regardless of how "converted" he might be.  Same with Salza.  It's one thing to have welcomed him to Traditional Catholicism, but to allow him to assume such a high profile role as a regular speaker at conferences, etc.?  That's absurd, given that one of Masonry's goals is to infiltrate and subvert.  Who's to say that Salza didn't infiltrate Traditional Catholicism precisely to subvert or at least damage it?  After his "conversion," he still had no problems receiving awards from Masonic organizations.
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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #13 on: May 06, 2024, 07:47:15 PM »
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    • Some are to be avoided altogether.  I don’t have time to listen to some one who is an imposter.  A Catholic who knows their faith is not going to accept an award from any organization that denies Jesus Christ.  Is it true that Freemasons praised Bergolio?




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    Re: John Salza: It's Trads that are the "Great Apostasy"
    « Reply #14 on: May 06, 2024, 08:48:12 PM »
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    • Dear Mr Salza, so Traditional Catholicism, which is less than 0.1% of the global population, is the "great apostasy"?  :facepalm:  :laugh1::laugh2::laugh1::laugh2::laugh1::laugh2: :facepalm:
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