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Offline Clemens Maria

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John Salza Interview
« on: November 10, 2019, 02:16:26 PM »
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    • Commentary: https://novusordowatch.org/2019/11/john-salza-denying-papacy-francis/

    Notes:
    • Salza said that Joe Biden is still a member of the Catholic Church.  Why?  Because even though he professes heresy publicly, he claims to be a practicing Catholic and no formal disciplinary action has been taken against him by the Church.  Basically, he is using the same principle he applies to Francis.  So at least he is consistent there.
    • Salza also made it a point to say that sede vacantists are NOT members of the Church (without any qualification whatsoever).  This is because according to Salza they have publicly severed the visible bond with the Church.

    My comment:

    Be sure to keep an eye on the combox on the right side of the screen.  Novus Ordo Watch and MHFM as well as a few others made some excellent points.  On sedes being manifest heretics and Joe Biden getting a pass, wow!  So people who believe themselves to be members of the Catholic Church and who have never been excommunicated (not even by the Conciliar Church, never mind the Catholic Church) and who keep the commandments and the precepts of the Church and subject themselves to traditional Catholic clergy are manifest heretics/schismatics but Joe Biden who is pro-abortion, pro-sodomite and pro-gαy-marriage is a member of the Church in good standing.  That's so off-the-charts hypocritical that it's hard to see how he can be anything other than a  malevolent actor.  It makes me wonder if he really did quit the freemasons.
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    Re: John Salza Interview
    « Reply #1 on: November 10, 2019, 02:39:09 PM »
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    • It seems that, once again, a dispute regarding the proper interpretation/understanding of St. Robert Bellarmine's position has arisen (see com box in the vid), beginning at the 9 minute mark.

    I wonder how it can be resolved without having to rely on a (fictitious?) "unbiased" translator?

    Also: Though I tend to side with Siscoe/Salza (primarily because I cannot envision the great counter-revolutionary anti-Protestant St. Robert Bellarmine implementing the primary error of Prrotestantism -private interpretation- as the means by which the Church is to rid itself of a heretic pope, which would destroy the first mark of the Catholic Church: One), I find it perplexing that Cajetan/JST would require 2 declarations by the Church, when in the present crisis, the entire hierarchy shares te same heresy of the pope (i.e., rendering his removal practically impossible according to the mechanism Cajetan/JST put in place).

    I would very much like to see how Siscoe/Salza address this issue.
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    Re: John Salza Interview
    « Reply #2 on: November 10, 2019, 04:03:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on November 10, 2019, 02:16:26 PM
    Salza said that Joe Biden is still a member of the Catholic Church.  Why?  Because even though he professes heresy publicly, he claims to be a practicing Catholic and no formal disciplinary action has been taken against him by the Church.  Basically, he is using the same principle he applies to Francis.  So at least he is consistent there.
    He must not know much about Canon Law. The 1917 code of Canon Law, canon 188, states:
    “Through tacit resignation, accepted by the law itself, all offices become vacant ipso facto and without any declaration if a cleric:"

    And then section 4 states:

    "Has publicly forsaken the Catholic Faith.”

    Let's look at each part of this statement:

    "Through tacit resignation." So publicly forsaking the Catholic Faith is a form of resignation, even if someone doesn't say he is leaving the Faith. That is what the word "tacit" means. It means not stated, but existing nevertheless.

    "accepted by the law itself" So the law itself already accepts the cleric's resignation. No human superior needs to accept what the law has already accepted.

    "all offices become vacant" And the papacy is an office, so ...

    "ipso facto" That is, by the fact alone of the cleric publicly forsaking the Catholic Faith.

    "and without any declaration" Wait, I thought Mr. Salza said someone who professes heresy remains Catholic until a formal disciplinary action is taken against him? The law seems to disagree, so much so that it explicitly mentions disciplinary action as being unnecessary for the heretic's "tacit resignation" to take effect.

    "Has publicly forsaken the Catholic Faith." There are three ways to forsake the Catholic Faith: Heresy, apostasy, and schism. While apostasy could be argued in case of Bergoglio, I think we would certainly agree that Bergoglio has professed heresy and has not professed the Catholic Faith.

    This canon has indicated that Paul 6 and all his successors up to the present have tacitly resigned the Catholic Faith, so we don't even have to worry that the 1983 had this canon (conveniently) removed from it by JP2. JP2 couldn't do that, since only a valid pope can promulgate a code of Canon Law anyway.

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    Re: John Salza Interview
    « Reply #3 on: November 10, 2019, 08:02:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on November 10, 2019, 02:16:26 PM


    Commentary: https://novusordowatch.org/2019/11/john-salza-denying-papacy-francis/

    Notes:
    • Salza said that Joe Biden is still a member of the Catholic Church.  Why?  Because even though he professes heresy publicly, he claims to be a practicing Catholic and no formal disciplinary action has been taken against him by the Church.  Basically, he is using the same principle he applies to Francis.  So at least he is consistent there.
    • Salza also made it a point to say that sede vacantists are NOT members of the Church (without any qualification whatsoever).  This is because according to Salza they have publicly severed the visible bond with the Church.

    My comment:

    Be sure to keep an eye on the combox on the right side of the screen.  Novus Ordo Watch and MHFM as well as a few others made some excellent points.  On sedes being manifest heretics and Joe Biden getting a pass, wow!  So people who believe themselves to be members of the Catholic Church and who have never been excommunicated (not even by the Conciliar Church, never mind the Catholic Church) and who keep the commandments and the precepts of the Church and subject themselves to traditional Catholic clergy are manifest heretics/schismatics but Joe Biden who is pro-abortion, pro-sodomite and pro-gαy-marriage is a member of the Church in good standing.  That's so off-the-charts hypocritical that it's hard to see how he can be anything other than a  malevolent actor.  It makes me wonder if he really did quit the freemasons.
    Wouldn’t be surprised if this bozo is still a mason, do people here actually take him seriously?
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