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John Paul II being beatified for holiness, not his papacy, speakers say

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service
4/4/11

ROME (CNS) -- Pope John Paul II is being beatified not because of his impact on history or on the Catholic Church, but because of the way he lived the Christian virtues of faith, hope and love, said Cardinal Angelo Amato, prefect of the Congregation for Saints' Causes.

"Clearly his cause was put on the fast track, but the process was done carefully and meticulously, following the rules Pope John Paul himself issued in 1983," the cardinal said April 1, during a conference at the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome.

The cardinal said the church wanted to respond positively to many Catholics' hopes to have Pope John Paul beatified quickly, but it also wanted to be certain that the pope, who died in 2005, is in heaven.

Cardinal Amato said the sainthood process is one of the areas of church life where the consensus of church members, technically the "sensus fidelium" ("sense of the faithful"), really counts.

"From the day of his death on April 2, 2005, the people of God began proclaiming his holiness," and hundreds, if not thousands, visit his tomb each day, the cardinal said. A further sign is the number of biographies published about him and the number of his writings that are translated and re-published.

"In the course of a beatification cause, there is the vox populi," he said, which must be "accompanied by the vox dei (voice of God) -- the miracles -- and the vox ecclesiae (voice of the church)," which is the official judgment issued after interviewing eyewitnesses and consulting with historians, physicians, theologians and church leaders to verify the candidate's holiness.

Beatification and canonization are not recognitions of someone's superior understanding of theology, nor of the great works he or she accomplished, he said. Declaring someone a saint, the church attests to the fact that he or she lived the Christian virtues in a truly extraordinary way and is a model to be imitated by others, the cardinal said.

The candidate, he said, must be perceived "as an image of Christ."

Cardinal Amato said, "the pressure of the public and of the media did not disturb the process, but helped it" because it was a further sign of Pope John Paul's widespread reputation for holiness, which is something the church requires proof of before it moves to beatify someone.

Joaquin Navarro-Valls, who served as Vatican spokesman under Pope John Paul, told the conference that the late pope's voice, his pronunciation, his use of gestures and his presence at the altar or on a stage all contributed to his success as a communicator.

But the key to his effectiveness was that he firmly believed that each person was created in God's image and likeness, Navarro-Valls said. "I think this was what attracted people even more than the way he spoke."

People felt he was sincere in his recognition of their dignity and of their destiny to be with God, he said.

"He was a man profoundly convinced of the truth of those words in Genesis -- 'God made man and woman in his image and likeness.' This gave him optimism even when he could no longer walk, and then even when he could no longer speak," Navarro-Valls said.

The Spaniard, a member of Opus Dei, said he had the blessing of personally knowing three saints: Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer, founder of Opus Dei; Blessed Teresa of Kolkata; and Pope John Paul.

What all three have in common, he said, was a good sense of humor, a ready smile and an ability to laugh.

As for those who question beatifying Pope John Paul only six years after his death and those who say the explosion of the clerical sex abuse scandal during his pontificate casts a dark shadow on his reign, Navarro-Valls said people must remember that beatification is not a judgment on a pontificate, but on the personal holiness of the candidate.

The key question, he said, is: "Can we be certain he lived the Christian virtues in a heroic way?"


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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2011, 08:03:41 AM »
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    Navarro-Valls, a member of Opus Dei, said he had the blessing of personally knowing three saints: Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer, founder of Opus Dei; Blessed Teresa of Kolkata; and Pope John Paul.

    What all three have in common, he said, was a good sense of humor, a ready smile and an ability to laugh.


    I know quite few people who have these things and they are not saints; many pagans and atheists have these qualities, too.

    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #2 on: April 05, 2011, 07:12:32 PM »
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    Navarro-Valls, a member of Opus Dei, said he had the blessing of personally knowing three saints: Josemaria Escriva de Balaguer, founder of Opus Dei; Blessed Teresa of Kolkata; and Pope John Paul.

    What all three have in common, he said, was a good sense of humor, a ready smile and an ability to laugh.


    I know quite few people who have these things and they are not saints; many pagans and atheists have these qualities, too.



    +10.

    I didn't know all it took to be a saint was laughing, having a nice smile, and a "good" sense of humor. BAH, forget about the 10 Commandments, mortal sin, and the sacraments.

     :devil2:    <----- Next saint in B16's canonization list

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    « Reply #3 on: April 05, 2011, 08:51:32 PM »
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    He was a man profoundly convinced of the truth of those words in Genesis -- 'God made man and woman in his image and likeness.


    I wish he would have really believed this about the victims of the child abuse scandals enough to have punished the perpetrators of such horrible crimes and have vindicated the victims' rights.

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    The candidate, he said, must be perceived "as an image of Christ."


    I don't think this can fit in this case because...

    Quote from: Our Lord
    But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea. (St. Matt. ch. xviii., 6)
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 05, 2011, 10:32:21 PM »
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    "Can we be certain he lived the Christian virtues in a heroic way?"


    It is doubtful at this time...
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #6 on: April 05, 2011, 10:47:58 PM »
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  • One might just as well write the Rothschilds, asking them to 'prayerfully consider' abolishing the Federal Reserve and all such instruments of diabolical destruction...

    "Dear Wolf-in-Shepherd's-clothing,

    Please consider abstaining from lamb..."

    The Vatican is the stronghold of the enemy.  Why bother?
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    « Reply #7 on: April 06, 2011, 03:42:26 PM »
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    One might just as well write the Rothschilds, asking them to 'prayerfully consider' abolishing the Federal Reserve and all such instruments of diabolical destruction...

    "Dear Wolf-in-Shepherd's-clothing,

    Please consider abstaining from lamb..."

    The Vatican is the stronghold of the enemy.  Why bother?



    YUP!!!!


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    « Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 10:27:02 AM »
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  • A person who excommunicated Archbishop LeFebvre for upholding Tradition, a person who prayed with people of other religions more than once, a person who said that girls could be altar servers. Wow, what a holy man. He certainly deserves to be a saint.  :rolleyes:
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.