Author Topic: John Paul I, Paul VI to be Beatified? (Read 1377 times)

Caraffa · « **on:** July 19, 2012, 10:22:29 PM »

This is getting a bit ridiculous. In the 400 years before Vatican II we've had two canonized Popes, St. Pius V and St. Pius X, and one beatified, Bl. Innocent XI, and now if this happens every Vatican II/post-Vatican II Pope will beatified and on the road to sainthood. I thought that they closed the "saint factory," but I guess not.

John Paul I, Paul VI Beatifications Possible During Year of Faith

National Catholic Register
By CNA

ROME, Italy — A former head of the Vatican’s congregation on saints’ causes said Pope Benedict XVI could beatify his predecessors Pope John Paul I and Pope Paul VI during the upcoming Year of Faith.

Although the process beatification is “generally very complex, in this case, the phases have been moving ahead,” Cardinal José Saraiva Martins, prefect emeritus of the Congregation for the Causes of the Saints, told Italian newspaper Corriere delle Alpi June 25.

After the beatification of John Paul II in May of 2011, Pope Benedict’s possible beatifications of John Paul I and Paul VI would be the first time in history that a Pope has beatified three of his predecessors.

Pope Benedict’s Year of Faith is slated to begin on Oct. 11 and will serve to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the Second Vatican Council.

On July 6, Msgr. Enrico Dal Covolo — the postulator of the cause for Servant of God John Paul I’s beatification — said docuмents for the late pope have been completed and will be delivered to Cardinal Angelo Amato, the prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of the Saints.

Msgr. Dal Covolo, who is also rector of the Lateran Pontifical University in Rome, said the positio (docuмent) is divided into two volumes. The first focuses on the heroic virtues of the pontiff, and the second is an account of his life.

Although it is not yet official, the miracle that could lead to John Paul I’s beatification is the healing of Giuseppe Denora, an Italian man who was cured of a severe gastric tumor after praying to the late Pope.

The miracle attributed to the Servant of God Paul VI — who made Joseph Ratzinger a cardinal — is the healing of a baby inside its mother’s womb.

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stevusmagnus · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2012, 09:11:47 AM »

John Paul the FIRST?? He was in office for 30 days!

And Paul VI?

Fr. Luigi Villa is going to have to change the ad on his book which says:

"The book that eventually stopped the beatification process of Paul VI!"

He wrote an entire book on why Paul VI should not be beatified, called, fittingly enough, "Paul VI Beatified?"

Read it here!

http://padrepioandchiesaviva.com/uploads/Paul_VI.._beatified_english.pdf

To me, beatifying Paul VI is, in many ways, worse than beatifying JPII.

Paul VI was almost completely solely responsible for the destruction of the Catholic Church. JPII simply managed the decline after the destruction.

If more and more VCII Popes are beatified and eventually sainted, then what is the Traditional response?

The sede response is obvious.

Otherwise, there has to be a Traditional foundation as to why the beatifications are invalid. It will be tougher for excommunications. However, the VCII gutting of the canonization and beatification processes will be the key. I think an argument can be made that the changes gutted these processes from their previous canonical protections and safeguards.

I simply cannot see how, in the future, Tradition can be restored while recognizing JPII and Paul VI as Saints of the Church. It is impossible.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2012, 10:07:11 AM »

It's very important for the New Church to have a bookload of New Saints... not that the modernists believe in miracles, they only believe in their own vanity... but that their followers will have saints to point to.

A traditionalist might refer to Saint Francis de Sales and the whole slew of absolutely great writing and all of it edifying... and the new church follower will say sure, sure we got our own St Benedict XVI and how he showed the world that if God can become man than man can become god and maybe man had god in him all along and didn't even know it.

:rolleyes:

The New Church needs New Saints.

And it's important to understand that the New Church has a New Ecclesiology.

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2012, 10:35:09 AM »

Quote from: stevusmagnus

John Paul the FIRST?? He was in office for 30 days!

And Paul VI?

For heaven's sake, stevusmagnus! Clearly all Conciliar popes are saints! Look at all the good they have done!! :scared2:

I'm just amazed at how long it has taken to do this. Of course, few traditional Catholics will pay attention to the import of these actions. They will continue to simply look the other way and :kick-can: