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SO BISHOP FELLAY SAYS:

We are not anti-Jєωιѕн. Jesus is Jєω, the Virgin Mary is Jєω, the Apostles, they are Jєωs.
So our religion come from there. We cannot be anti Jєωιѕн as --as a people.

http://www.hd.net/cgi-perl/transcripts_sen...doc.pl?id=A6686


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Jesus is Jєω, the Virgin Mary is Jєω, the Apostles, they are Jєωs.
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 10:59:59 AM »
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  • Well, I guess he just showed his true colors. What a slap in the face to call Our Lord a Jєω! Jєωs believe that Christ hasn't come yet, so how the heck could Jesus be a Jєω? That would mean He thinks He Himself hasn't come yet, and that makes no sense. Yes, Mary and the Apostles were AT ONE POINT Jєωιѕн until they converted to Traditional Catholicism. Fellay sounds as if he wants everyone to accept the Jєωιѕн religion, and he probably does judging by that comment.
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    Jesus is Jєω, the Virgin Mary is Jєω, the Apostles, they are Jєωs.
    « Reply #2 on: December 09, 2010, 02:26:43 PM »
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    Well, I guess he just showed his true colors. What a slap in the face to call Our Lord a Jєω! Jєωs believe that Christ hasn't come yet, so how the heck could Jesus be a Jєω? That would mean He thinks He Himself hasn't come yet, and that makes no sense. Yes, Mary and the Apostles were AT ONE POINT Jєωιѕн until they converted to Traditional Catholicism. Fellay sounds as if he wants everyone to accept the Jєωιѕн religion, and he probably does judging by that comment.

    I would not take Bishop Fellay's verb tense too seriously.

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    « Reply #3 on: December 09, 2010, 02:30:43 PM »
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    Well, I guess he just showed his true colors. What a slap in the face to call Our Lord a Jєω! Jєωs believe that Christ hasn't come yet, so how the heck could Jesus be a Jєω? That would mean He thinks He Himself hasn't come yet, and that makes no sense. Yes, Mary and the Apostles were AT ONE POINT Jєωιѕн until they converted to Traditional Catholicism. Fellay sounds as if he wants everyone to accept the Jєωιѕн religion, and he probably does judging by that comment.


    actually,true Jєωs are those that accepted teh Gospel, fake "Jєωs" as we see in Apoc ch 2 and 3 are just that,fake, for the logical progression of judiasm is Christ and the New Covenant.....ethnically, they were and always will be Jєωs...thre is no problem nor shame in that.....

    the name is now used by Christdeniers, but should really be used by Catholics, per se, though I call myself not a Jєω, but Catholic......none the less, the term belongs to those of us that are the true children of Abraham, by faith......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic

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    « Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 02:54:20 PM »
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  • It's reasonable to assume that if Bishop Fellay said anything about the necessity of Jєωs accepting the Catholic Faith and rejecting their false religion it would have been included in the transcript.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 10, 2010, 09:14:35 AM »
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  • +Fellay really blows it here...he is in bed with the modernists and caving in under the pressure of political correctness.  Every time he opens his mouth he digs his hole a little deeper.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 10, 2010, 09:29:58 AM »
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  • Quote from: Ecclesia Militans
    I would not take Bishop Fellay's verb tense too seriously.


    Because???
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #7 on: December 10, 2010, 09:42:54 AM »
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    SO BISHOP FELLAY SAYS:

    We are not anti-Jєωιѕн. Jesus is Jєω, the Virgin Mary is Jєω, the Apostles, they are Jєωs.
    So our religion come from there. We cannot be anti Jєωιѕн as --as a people.

    http://www.hd.net/cgi-perl/transcripts_sen...doc.pl?id=A6686


    The Jєωs are properly defined as "that body of men who were called by God to know the truth before Our Lord's birth, and who rejected Him." There must be some way to distinguish them from those men who were called by God to know the truth before Our Lord's birth, and who accepted Him (e.g. Our Lady, St. Peter).

    Bp. Fellay would not likely deny this distinction, but he certainly did not say it.
    It would be comparatively easy for us to be holy if only we could always see the character of our neighbours either in soft shade or with the kindly deceits of moonlight upon them. Of course, we are not to grow blind to evil


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    « Reply #8 on: December 10, 2010, 09:57:53 AM »
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  • [/quote]The Jєωs are properly defined as "that body of men who were called by God to know the truth before Our Lord's birth, and who rejected Him."[/quote]

    SJB Where did you get that definition of Jєωs, what are you quoting?
    2 Thessalonians 2:14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

    Galatians Chapter 1:8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a

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    « Reply #9 on: December 10, 2010, 11:10:03 AM »
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  • What do we make of the Fathers of the Church who apparently presupposed some kind of identity.  In order for the claim that they have been corporately punished as a result of Deicide, there must be some kind linkage.  Carnal Jєωs, indeed, but Jєωs nevertheless.  They refer to the Jєωs as still a 'collective body'.  Could it be that they observations was more mystical than practical?  Even the Scriptures teach that the remaining Jєωs are falsely labeled as such (See Apocolypse).  In our day, those who claim to be Jєωs have no more claim to the line of Sem than you or I due to centuries of being in a state of dispersion among the nations.  Some claim a material identity of religion, but formally, their religion is obviously not the same at all.  See for example the claims made by the author of "How Christ said the First Mass."  He makes the assertion several times that the Jєωs have meticulously retained their traditions.  How does one thus define a Jєω?  Our Lord clearly taught that their Father was not Abraham, but the Devil, whereas we alone can rightly claim Abraham as our Father.  Yet, in all the writings that I've studied, they are described as disobedient children of Abraham, even to this day, whereas our Fathers were the heathens.  I think the Jєωs have become the Gentile par excellence, but in terms of the mystical view of history, they are still considered as a collective race with some kind of relation with ancient Israel.  The difficulty is almost insoluble.    

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    « Reply #10 on: December 10, 2010, 04:10:37 PM »
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  • When Jesus, Mary and Joseph and followers lived the Jєωιѕн religion was the true religion; also a race of people.

    The Christian Church did not start till after the resurrection of Christ.  

    What about Adam and Eve?  What race were they I wonder?

    Beside the human race or was it just that.  
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    « Reply #11 on: December 11, 2010, 01:11:33 PM »
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  • I think one of the keys to understanding this dilemma is the idea that the carnal, unbelieving Jєωs that had broken themselves off from the Covenant have been transformed down through history into the Gentile, thus presenting the inverse of ancient Israel.  Thus, if these Jєωs "falsely so-called" have become the Nations and all error and corruption in the world can be traced back to Jєωιѕн perfidity, it would explain why they form the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan.  And simply because they make the claim to be Jєωs is apparently enough to refer to them as such, even though no substantial identity exists.  With regard to the continued punishment of Deicide, it would be found in their naturalism, those claiming the Jєωιѕн name, would receive the particular manifestation of Divine Justice, whereas the rest of the world, the Nations, have become blind and thus share in the work of the Jєωs.  Furthermore, since the term 'Jєω' is practically impossible to define, it thus remains indestructible down through the centuries precisely because it has come to mean everything and nothing at all.  In the end, it will not be those who are known as Jєωs that convert, but the Nations, that is, many people of different Nations will convert to the Catholic faith near the end of time.  I think this is the significance of Russia in the revelations of Fatima.  Meanwhile, those who claim to form "Israel" who claim to be "Jєωs" will be misled by the Anti-Christ as foretold by the Fathers and Scripture.  Thus, there is no retrograde reference to carnal Israel since it was dead and buried 2,000 years ago.  I am currently reviewing this theory in light of St. Paul's statements in Romans.  Any thoughts?  

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    « Reply #12 on: December 11, 2010, 02:12:21 PM »
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    When Jesus, Mary and Joseph and followers lived the Jєωιѕн religion was the true religion; also a race of people.

    The Christian Church did not start till after the resurrection of Christ.  

    What about Adam and Eve?  What race were they I wonder?

    Beside the human race or was it just that.  


    They were Christians, basically. Some ignorant people claim religions like Buddhism and Paganism are older than Christianty because Christ did not come and start the Catholic Church until after these religions had already existed. However, the very first two people of this world(Adam and Eve) worshipped God. And since God and Christ are the same God, they should therefore be classified as Christians.
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    « Reply #13 on: December 11, 2010, 04:26:01 PM »
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  • +F:
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    We are not anti-Jєωιѕн. Jesus is Jєω, the Virgin Mary is Jєω, the Apostles, they are Jєωs.
    So our religion come from there. We cannot be anti Jєωιѕн as --as a people.


    What an insipid, inane remark, imparting no real information or significant clarification!  Nor was it meant to.  I see it as just another ploy on +F's part to further ingratiate himself to the Jєωs



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    « Reply #14 on: December 11, 2010, 04:39:29 PM »
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    When Jesus, Mary and Joseph and followers lived the Jєωιѕн religion was the true religion; also a race of people.

    The Christian Church did not start till after the resurrection of Christ.  

    What about Adam and Eve?  What race were they I wonder?

    Beside the human race or was it just that.  


    They were Christians, basically. Some ignorant people claim religions like Buddhism and Paganism are older than Christianty because Christ did not come and start the Catholic Church until after these religions had already existed. However, the very first two people of this world(Adam and Eve) worshipped God. And since God and Christ are the same God, they should therefore be classified as Christians.


    Pentecost is the Birthday of the Christian church.  

    The Jєωιѕн religion was the True Faith, and it was the Will of God that the Jєωs follow into the Christian religion after it was revealed to them, but we all know what happened there.    


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