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The New Mass is ...

Certainly Invalid
2 (6.9%)
Positively Doubtful
9 (31%)
Valid but Heretical
1 (3.4%)
Valid but Lacks Grace
2 (6.9%)
Valid but Inferior
9 (31%)
Other (Please explain)
6 (20.7%)
None of the above
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 26

Author Topic: What do you believe about the New Mass?  (Read 1992 times)

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Re: What do you believe about the New Mass?
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2020, 07:56:26 PM »
The sole objection to what you write is that you are asking that the goalposts be relocated when the game is already three-quarters along. That is to say, the assumption of the priest's own validity has been taken for granted from the outset. The foregoing notwithstanding, that not all here present would stipulate to the validity of Novus Ordo ordinations is both (1) plain and (2) matter that has frequently been discussed and debated elsewhere.

On an unrelated matter, I would hate to find myself in a situation where whether I was to live or die depended upon my being able to pronounce your screen name correctly. As you are evidently an Irishman, I think it likely that you have heard of Brian Ó Nualláin, aka Brian O'Nolan, Flann O'Brien, and Myles na gCopaleen. Indeed, it was the sight of your screen name that called to mind a limerick he wrote seventy-odd years ago. Its import hardly requires glossing.

Said a Sassenach back in Dun Laoghaire,
"I pay homage to nationalist thaoghaire,
But wherever I drobh
I found signposts that strobh
To make touring in Ireland so draoghaire."
Whatever his username is meant to be, it's not Irish. W isn't even a letter in Irish. I've no idea what it's meant to be. 

Re: What do you believe about the New Mass?
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2020, 08:45:16 PM »

Whatever his username is meant to be, it's not Irish. W isn't even a letter in Irish. I've no idea what it's meant to be.

I never said that his user name was Irish. I said only that he was Irish—as indeed he is. The points that led me to the limerick, which has been a great favorite of mine for thirty years, were as follows: Irishman with unpronounceable screen name → famous Irish writer and wit → limerick mocking unpronounceable words by said famous writer.

I did say that I despaired of understanding how to pronounce his name, but the native language of the Irish is by no means the only one that can lay claim to generating unpronounceable names.

Try pronouncing "Mawrdew Czgowchwz" for a while, and then let me know how your lips and gums feel.


Re: What do you believe about the New Mass?
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2020, 08:57:58 PM »

I never said that his user name was Irish. I said only that he was Irish—as indeed he is. The points that led me to the limerick, which has been a great favorite of mine for thirty years, were as follows: Irishman with unpronounceable screen name → famous Irish writer and wit → limerick mocking unpronounceable words by said famous writer.

I did say that I despaired of understanding how to pronounce his name, but the native language of the Irish is by no means the only one that can lay claim to generating unpronounceable names.

Try pronouncing "Mawrdew Czgowchwz" for a while, and then let me know how your lips and gums feel.

… not to overlook cuмmings's delightful poem that begins "rpophessagr" and proceeds from there.

Re: What do you believe about the New Mass?
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2020, 11:50:36 PM »
I hold that those vernacular translations where they changed the words of consecration of the wine to "for all" are certainly invalid ... based on the clear teaching of St. Pius V in the Roman Missal.

Of course, now that they have had generations of doubtfully valid priests, and there are very few left who are certainly valid, they suddenly change the words back ... as if it doesn't matter anymore whether the form is valid, since most of the priests are invalid.

If a valid priest were to use the first "Anaphora" (aka Canon), it's almost entirely the Tridentine Canon, and therefore seems likely to be valid.

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Thus the mis-translation of the words "pro multis" by "for all men" is very grave, but does not make the New Mass invalid.

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