Author Topic: Jehanne: "I would kiss the Koran under pressure" (Read 2441 times)

Cathedra · « **on:** August 16, 2013, 05:06:34 AM »

Thousands of views of the thread where he uttered this and only a couple of people protested.

That's strange.

Cathedra · « **Reply #1 on:** August 16, 2013, 05:08:43 AM »

Here are the exact quotes:

Quote from: Jehanne

I don't know what was going through his head and you don't, either! Did he ask for the Koran to be handed to him or did the cleric simply give it to him? What would you have done? Throw it down on the ground?? And, how many people would have died as a result? If it were me, I would have just kissed the damned thing and gone on with my agreed-to meeting.

Quote from: Mithrandylan

You must be joking!

Quote from: Jehanne

No, I'm not, not at all!

Quote from: Jehanne

His actions did not constitute apostasy. In kissing the Koran, he was not paying reverence to it. It was merely a political act to "preserve the peace." Again, what would you have done???

I already told you. I would have held my breath and kissed it. The alternative would have been to have had some confrontation with the Muslim cleric, which could have resulted in worldwide riots, death, and even, a war? When you show-up at someone's house as an invited guest and tell your host that their "food tastes like dog poo", even if their food was crap??? Or, would you "hold your tongue" and just eat their food and act like you like it?!

Stubborn · « **Reply #2 on:** August 16, 2013, 05:15:00 AM »

I never saw that post, but if I had, I would have done as you,, started a new thread.

Jehanne, do you realize saints have been martyred and gone straight to their eternal reward for a whole lot less than refusing to kiss a Koran?

You, as a Catholic, are supposed to refuse to kiss the evil thing - if they kill you for that, well, as I said - saints have been martyred and gone straight to their eternal reward for a whole lot less.

Cathedra · « **Reply #3 on:** August 16, 2013, 05:18:52 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn

I never saw that post, but if I had, I would have done as you,, started a new thread.

Yes, i suspected it was buried and many people just missed it so i wanted to check.

Cathedra · « **Reply #4 on:** August 16, 2013, 05:26:24 AM »

Missed two more posts:

Quote from: Jehanne

I don't believe that such necessarily constitutes an act of heresy or apostasy. I would probably be thinking, "Well, I suppose that I better do this, so this f**ker does not blow me up, slit my throat, or fly a plane into a building full of innocent people."

Quote from: Jehanne

Normally, I would not "kiss the Koran"; on the other hand, if I was held hostage by Islamic fanatics and told to "kiss the Koran or die," I probably would. For me, such would be a political or humanitarian act only, and not a religious act.

Stubborn · « **Reply #5 on:** August 16, 2013, 06:06:32 AM »

All St. Thomas More had to do to save his neck was sign a piece of paper.

Stubborn · « **Reply #6 on:** August 16, 2013, 06:28:08 AM »

To clarify, I am not suggesting martyrdom is a walk in the park since without extra special graces from God, no one would get martyred imo - but the point is that I don't think kissing satan's book is something that we would do, even just to get it over with - rather we should be living so as to always ready to avoid doing anything of the sort, regardless of the circuмstances.

Cathedra · « **Reply #7 on:** August 16, 2013, 07:49:46 AM »

Here's the thread in question and the first time he posted that: http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=26456&min=110&num=5

Charlemagne · « **Reply #8 on:** August 16, 2013, 08:26:54 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn

Jehanne, do you realize saints have been martyred and gone straight to their eternal reward for a whole lot less than refusing to kiss a Koran?

In the Conciliar Church, kissing the blasphemous Koran will apparently help you earn "sainthood."

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #9 on:** August 16, 2013, 08:27:31 AM »

This isn't the first time I've raised my eyebrows reading his posts.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #10 on:** August 16, 2013, 08:50:19 AM »

Kissing the Koran is a sign of reverence - consider that JPII is the man who kissed the Koran but continued to use the Bent Crucifix for his choice of crucifixes. He, in fact, showed MORE respect to the Koran than the crucifix.

Back to the point of kissing the Koran, that's showing reverence, respect, love and appreciation. I think the proper way to handle it is to refuse to even touch the thing if it's handed to you as a "foreign religion's object of devotion".

A best practice would be to tell the practitioners that you care about the status of their eternal soul and you want them to renounce their falsehoods.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #11 on:** August 16, 2013, 10:32:10 AM »

Agreed, Cap'n, except I would add one thing: The way to avoid having to make such a decision is to not even place yourself in the position in the first place. JPII basically bowed down to Satan when he kissed that disgusting book. "Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness?"

Frances · « **Reply #12 on:** August 16, 2013, 10:58:31 AM »

Shame on jehanne. He should change his Avatar to jihad. Better listen to Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon from San Antonio on the 13th.
For whom are you willing to die?

TCat · « **Reply #13 on:** August 16, 2013, 12:16:25 PM »

There have been more days than I can remember where I ardently prayed for the most torturous martyrdom, to tell of my love of the truth which the son of God has deigned to show me. To die a martyr is the greatest grace of all! I wish and still pray for this grace everyday.

Jehannes comment is nothing other than cowardice. He should have trusted in God to set things right following his TEST and accept the brief torments in exchange for the everlasting paradise.

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #14 on:** August 16, 2013, 12:24:31 PM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

Agreed, Cap'n, except I would add one thing: The way to avoid having to make such a decision is to not even place yourself in the position in the first place. JPII basically bowed down to Satan when he kissed that disgusting book. "Bear not the yoke with unbelievers. For what participation hath justice with injustice? Or what fellowship hath light with darkness?"

Good advice! The first sin committed was placing yourself in a position like that.