Glad to hear your last post,
Jehanne. I was going to say,
Believe me, I have kissed things which I (sort of) abhor!
Snip that habit. I have bad habits I've got to get rid of, too; it's no shame, as long as we admit they're bad habits, Confess them, etc. But true reverence should be reserved only for God. Sometimes I wish I were a bible thumper who could pull Scriptures out easily, because I know I've heard many Scriptures, Didache, and Church Fathers on reverence.
In my opinion, these types of scenarios are a problem for sedes. Let's say that a Pope does, indeed, lose his Petrine office, but only in the internal forum. Can he get it back? If so, how? Certainly, as "all sins can be forgiven," he should be able to be forgiven and absolved of his sins
Well, we can't judge popes (—Boniface VIII, late 13thC Pope who knew how to handle business). But Wojtyla was part of a growing group of friends that set out to destroy the Petrine office with smiles on their faces, and were no popes. I wasn't sede until Frank (born too late; Wojtyla was all I knew, then BXVI seemed like a Godsend!) Then Frank came, and I saw this:
Yep, that's Frank, I think back in Montini's day (edit, no I guess Wojtyla is wearing a pope hat, but maybe it was just "for kicks"; maybe they passed it around
NO idea of the date). Now LBR, part of this group always had a
worldly intent to be Very Nice Guys®, yet if you dig into their incomprehensible writings (Ratzinger is the clearest imo; don't try Wojtyla unless you intend to pull your eyelashes out in frustration), you might find that sadly, they were never Catholic at all. They were universalists, and possibly masons in fact. And you have to be Catholic to hold the Petrine office. Sure, they apparently took the world by storm because they were big, fat, giggly or simply friendly men who came out of nowhere (Roncalli), weren't even cardinals 5 years before they were "elected" Pope (Montini), and ...well, the rest are pictured above, except the unfortunate murdered one.
In these cases, it truly doesn't
matter if they were "good people" or "just retarded" or whatnot. They weren't Catholic to begin with; and they poisoned the well with V2 and clowns and all sorts of evil, as prophesied (some prophecies not even released to the public, so we've got to go on what we know).
That's what's running the circus now (which, btw, it quite literally is). Imagine if there had been clowns in Boniface VIII's day. He would have made great sport of them! Or in St. Peter's day. (Yeah, don't try to imagine that. #Scary). I'd venture to say that St. Pope Pius X would have taken a machine gun and blown these popes all to Hell without batting an eyelash, then gotten on with his truly HOLY business.
These clowns we have now, who enjoy priest-Sodomites in makeup and circus clothes DURING THE MASS, would be some DEAD CLOWNS, except this is what
the world and even the lukewarm "catholics" want now (a QUIETED "church" filled with Sodomites who judge nothing, as the NewPope even says, "who am I to judge").
(Sorry, these clowns fooled me for a long time, too. And they continue to fool many.)