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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: J’ACCUSE
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2024, 09:00:27 AM »
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    The Bull cuм ex apostolatus officio of Paul IV established in perpetuity the nullity of the nomination or election of any Prelate – including the Pope – who had fallen into heresy before his promotion to Cardinal or elevation to Roman Pontiff. It defines the promotion or elevation as nulla, irrita et inanis – void, invalid, and without any value – “even if it took place with the agreement and unanimous consent of all the Cardinals; nor can it be said that it is validated by the receipt of the office, consecration, or possession […], or by the putative enthronement […] of the Roman Pontiff himself or by the obedience given to him by all and by the course of any duration of time in the said exercise of his office.” Paul IV adds that all the acts performed by this person are to be considered equally null, and that his subjects, both clerics and lay people, are freed from obedience with regard to him, “without prejudice, however, on the part of these same subjected people, to the obligation of fidelity and obedience to be given to future Bishops, Archbishops, Patriarchs, Primates, Cardinals, and Roman Pontiffs who are canonically installed.” Paul IV concludes: “And to the greater confusion of those thus promoted and elevated, where they claim to continue their administration, it is permissible to request the help of the secular arm; nor for this reason are those who withdraw from loyalty and obedience towards those who have been promoted and elevated in the way already mentioned, to be subject to any of those censures and punishments imposed on those who would like to tear the tunic of the Lord.”

    For this reason, with serenity of conscience, I maintain that the errors and heresies to which Bergoglio adhered before, during, and after his election, along with the intention he held in his apparent acceptance of the Papacy, render his elevation to the throne null and void.

    So he's moving beyond the simple vitium consensus to the core SV argument, which applies not only to Jorge but also to Montini - Ratzinger.
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #16 on: June 28, 2024, 09:03:04 AM »
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    • He calls out Ratzinger and also "Montini" here as the originators of the "collegial Papacy" that Bergoglio's recent docuмent laid out:
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    And upon closer inspection, the previous step was taken by Benedict XVI, who invented – along with the “hermeneutic” of an impossible “continuity” between two totally foreign entities – the monstrum of a “collegial Papacy” exercised by the Jesuit and the Emeritus simultaneously. ... Montini had began to prepare the ground four years earlier when he dramatically laid aside the Tiara.

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    Offline Mark 79

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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #17 on: June 28, 2024, 09:07:03 AM »
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    • "…when he dramatically laid aside the Tiara."

    Did he merely lay the tiara aside? Didn't the sodomite anti-Pope give the tiara to the United Nations, so that it is  now un-recoverable?
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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #18 on: June 28, 2024, 09:07:52 AM »
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    I consider it an honor to be “accused” of rejecting the errors and deviations implied by the so-called Second Vatican Ecuмenical Council, which I consider to be completely devoid of magisterial authority due to its heterogeneity compared to all the true Councils of the Church, which I fully recognize and accept, just as I fully recognize and accept all the magisterial acts of the Roman Pontiffs.

    I convictedly reject the heterodox doctrines contained in the docuмents of Vatican II and which have been condemned by the Popes up to Pius XII, or which contradict the Catholic Magisterium in any way. I find it disconcerting to say the least that those who are trying me for schism are those who embrace the heterodox doctrine according to which there exists a bond of union “with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter” (LG 15). I wonder how readily one can challenge a Bishop for the lack of communion which is also claimed to exist with heretics and schismatics.

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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #19 on: June 28, 2024, 09:11:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on June 28, 2024, 09:07:03 AM
    "…when he dramatically laid aside the Tiara."

    Did he merely lay the tiara aside? Didn't the sodomite anti-Pope give the tiara to the United Nations, so that it is  now un-recoverable?

    It's actually back in the crypt (basement level) of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception in Washington, D.C.  I looked at it often when I attend The Catholic University of America (adjacent to the National Shrine).



    It would be ironic if +Vigano became the next pope, having been the nuncio to the United States, and then reclaim the Tiara which has now been exiled to the US.
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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #20 on: June 28, 2024, 09:13:42 AM »
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    • "Is it possible then that the Church has begun to teach error? Can we believe that the one Ark of salvation is at the same time also an instrument of perdition for souls? That the Mystical Body separates itself from its Divine Head, Jesus Christ, making the Savior’s promise fail? This cannot, of course, be admissible, and those who support such an idea fall into heresy and schism. The Church cannot teach error, nor can her Head, the Roman Pontiff, be at the same time heretical and orthodox, Peter and Judas, in communion with all his predecessors and at the same time in schism with them. The only theologically possible answer is that the Conciliar Hierarchy, which proclaims itself Catholic but embraces a faith different from that constantly taught for two thousand years by the Catholic Church, belongs to another entity and therefore does not represent the true Church of Christ."

    This is the stumbling block for many NO and "conservative" Catholics trying to make sense of the crisis, the answer of which is succinctly stated. 
    The Conciliar Church is not the Catholic Church.
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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #21 on: June 28, 2024, 09:14:45 AM »
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    • Haven't read through the OP yet, but I thought I'd post Bishop Sanborn's views on Vigano's original notice of his excommunication:



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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #22 on: June 28, 2024, 09:17:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 28, 2024, 09:14:45 AM
    Haven't read through the OP yet, ...

    It's worth the read.  I picked out some of the key passages in this thread.
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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #23 on: June 28, 2024, 09:17:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on June 28, 2024, 09:07:03 AM
    "…when he dramatically laid aside the Tiara."

    Did he merely lay the tiara aside? Didn't the sodomite anti-Pope give the tiara to the United Nations, so that it is  now un-recoverable?
    I think there are multiple tiaras
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #24 on: June 28, 2024, 09:22:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 28, 2024, 09:14:45 AM
    Haven't read through the OP yet, but I thought I'd post Bishop Sanborn's views on Vigano's original notice of his excommunication:



    And you should have read today's statement since +Vigano knocks down every criticism from +Sanborn with it and this video is now completely moot.

    Bishop Sanborn is also wrong that doubt about the legitimacy of Bergoglio does not suffice and is a matter of salvation.  Doubt is more than sufficient to refuse submission to the papal claimant (cf. the Canonists).  One might even rightly argue that one cannot go past a state of doubt w/o the Church's authority. And how is it a matter of salvation when +Sanborn claims that non-Catholics and even infidels can be saved?
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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #25 on: June 28, 2024, 09:29:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 28, 2024, 09:17:03 AM
    It's worth the read.  I picked out some of the key passages in this thread.
    I will.
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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #26 on: June 28, 2024, 09:36:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 28, 2024, 09:22:04 AM
    And you should have read today's statement since +Vigano knocks down every criticism from +Sanborn with it and this video is now completely moot.
    Skimmed some of the portions, and I wonder whether he watched and responded to Bishop Sanborn's video.  
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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #27 on: June 28, 2024, 09:54:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on June 28, 2024, 09:36:34 AM
    Skimmed some of the portions, and I wonder whether he watched and responded to Bishop Sanborn's video. 

    It's hard to say.  He may be tuned into Traditional Catholic content online.  At the same time, he probably prepared this days ago and just chose to release it on 6/28 since this is the day that they were supposed to render a judgment against him from Bergoglio's "dicastery".
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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #28 on: June 28, 2024, 01:45:29 PM »
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    • I'm shocked that this monumental and historic declaration from +Vigano has not received any interest, not even from the sedevacantists.
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    Re: J’ACCUSE
    « Reply #29 on: June 28, 2024, 02:32:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 28, 2024, 01:45:29 PM
    I'm shocked that this monumental and historic declaration from +Vigano has not received any interest, not even from the sedevacantists.

    If Abp. Vigano becomes the leading Sedevacantist bishop, the existing groups will become weaker. There is a lot of "clan mentality" in Tradieland.

    Plus, I get the impression that he is not taken very seriously by Traditionalists in general because he is a former Novus Ordo prelate.
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