Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2]

Author Topic: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization  (Read 2212 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Last Tradhican

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6293
  • Reputation: +3327/-1937
  • Gender: Male
Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2018, 09:51:55 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: ultrarigorist on March 22, 2018, 06:34:02 AM
    Pope Paul VI - for whom would he be a patron saint?

    Active sodomites.
    Cracked me up! Very good observation. 
    Logged
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

    Offline Last Tradhican

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6293
    • Reputation: +3327/-1937
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #16 on: March 23, 2018, 10:04:40 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Catman on March 21, 2018, 05:51:42 PM
    Infallibility prohibits this from happening. So, dear R&R people enjoy the fruits of your theological schizophrenia. If Francis is pope, Paul VI is already a Blessed in heaven. Going back to the Novus Ordo is the only logical option open to you.
    Not only Paul VI, but John XXIII, and JPII are also declared saints.

    For upwards of 700 years just two popes were declared saints, Pius V and Pius X. During the time the faith was spread all over the world.

    The Vatican II church is well on the way to declaring  every Vatican II pope a saint. During its 60 year existence they caused 80% of Catholics to fall away from the faith and the rest they have fooled to go to a false religion, the counterfeit VatII church.

    "By their deeds you shall  know them"
    Logged
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41839
    • Reputation: +23907/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #17 on: March 23, 2018, 11:15:17 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on March 19, 2018, 09:30:13 AM
    If Newchurch "canonizes" a person who is actually a saint in the Eyes of God, I wonder if the material process makes the canonization legitimate, valid?

    This question is not a defense of Paul VI. I don't think he is a saint, nor is JPII...

    No, canonization is part of the teaching authority (not merely a legal thing) ... which is why it is said to be infallible.

    Plus, how would you sort out after the fact which were legit and which weren't?
    Logged

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41839
    • Reputation: +23907/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #18 on: March 23, 2018, 11:19:09 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on March 20, 2018, 09:57:59 PM
    Yes, Meg and PG have been making vile accusations against St. Louis de Montfort.  e.g.

    That's pretty much a direct denial of the infallibility of pre-Vatican II canonizations.  PG in particular looks like a Protestant fifth columnist to me.

    I personally think that PG should be banned for his comments; indeed they are vile.  I don't recall having seen Meg's in relation to St. Louis.
    Logged

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41839
    • Reputation: +23907/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #19 on: March 23, 2018, 11:20:26 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Catman on March 21, 2018, 05:51:42 PM
    Infallibility prohibits this from happening. So, dear R&R people enjoy the fruits of your theological schizophrenia. If Francis is pope, Paul VI is already a Blessed in heaven. Going back to the Novus Ordo is the only logical option open to you.

    I agree regarding the infallibility of canonizations, but it doesn't extent to beatifications.
    Logged

    Offline Croix de Fer

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3219
    • Reputation: +2525/-2210
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #20 on: March 23, 2018, 11:25:53 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 23, 2018, 11:19:09 AM
    I personally think that PG should be banned for his comments; indeed they are vile.  I don't recall having seen Meg's in relation to St. Louis.

    Meg must be a daughter of Asmodeus if she was making vile remarks about St. Louis de Montfort; and PG is totally undercarbed - lacking in sugar, thus his irrational stance towards the good saint.
    Logged
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

    Offline Croix de Fer

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 3219
    • Reputation: +2525/-2210
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #21 on: March 23, 2018, 11:27:51 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 23, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
    No, canonization is part of the teaching authority (not merely a legal thing) ... which is why it is said to be infallible.
    Which is why the privationist stance makes more sense, because Frank is not formally the Vicar of Christ, thus his "canonizing" people can only be valid, since the material act is there from a material "pope", if the person is truly a saint in the Eyes of God.


    Quote
    Plus, how would you sort out after the fact which were legit and which weren't?

    If, or when, God removes the eclipse of the Church, and He restores the formal Vicar of Christ, he can rule which canonizations were legit and which weren't.

    Btw, I didn't vote down your comment.
    Logged
    Blessed be the Lord my God, who teacheth my hands to fight, and my fingers to war. ~ Psalms 143:1 (Douay-Rheims)

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41839
    • Reputation: +23907/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #22 on: March 23, 2018, 11:33:39 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on March 23, 2018, 11:27:51 AM
    Which is why the privationist stance makes more sense, because Frank is not formally the Vicar of Christ, thus his "canonizing" people can only be valid, since the material act is there from a material "pope", if the person is truly a saint in the Eyes of God.


    If, or when, God removes the eclipse of the Church, and He restores the formal Vicar of Christ, he can rule which canonizations were legit and which weren't.

    Btw, I didn't vote your comment down.

    I would think that the new (legit) Pope would simply canonize the worthy candidates himself.

    As for the downthumbs, I have acquired one or two stalkers who follow me around in CI and downthumb every post ... even if it's something entire non-controversial.  This post will get downthumbed by the same clown(s).
    Logged

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41839
    • Reputation: +23907/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #23 on: March 23, 2018, 11:35:28 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 23, 2018, 11:33:39 AM
    I would think that the new (legit) Pope would simply canonize the worthy candidates himself.

    As for the downthumbs, I have acquired one or two stalkers who follow me around in CI and downthumb every post ... even if it's something entire non-controversial.  This post will get downthumbed by the same clown(s).

    LOL.  I kept refreshing the page.  It took less that one minute for the downthumb to show up.
    Logged

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41839
    • Reputation: +23907/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #24 on: March 23, 2018, 11:39:38 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 23, 2018, 11:35:28 AM
    LOL.  I kept refreshing the page.  It took less that one minute for the downthumb to show up.

    I have a very good guess who one of them is, since I can see who's been active in the past 15 minutes.  There are a couple others in addition to her.
    Logged

    Offline Cantarella

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 7782
    • Reputation: +4577/-579
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #25 on: March 23, 2018, 11:44:20 AM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 23, 2018, 11:33:39 AM
    As for the downthumbs, I have acquired one or two stalkers who follow me around in CI and downthumb every post ... even if it's something entire non-controversial.  This post will get downthumbed by the same clown(s).
    I have noticed this as well  :jester:.

    This very post of mine will be down thumbed in less than 2 min. 
    Logged
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

    Offline Meg

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 6173
    • Reputation: +3147/-2941
    • Gender: Female
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #26 on: March 23, 2018, 11:58:11 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!4
    • Quote from: Ladislaus on March 23, 2018, 11:39:38 AM
    I have a very good guess who one of them is, since I can see who's been active in the past 15 minutes.  There are a couple others in addition to her.

    It's me who is doing the down-thumbing of the posts of the sede trolls. I'll continue to do so, until the limit is reached, which will be soon. But you can still down-thumb all of my posts in retaliation. I don't care. 

    The forum is being taken over by sedes. The only thing I can do about it is to down-thumb posts. 
    Logged
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline LeDeg

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 735
    • Reputation: +479/-98
    • Gender: Male
    • I am responsible only to God and history.
    Re: Its official, Pope Paul VI canonization
    « Reply #27 on: March 23, 2018, 01:44:07 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
    • Correct me if I'm wrong, but canonizations did not become the sole prerogative of the pope until the 13th century, right? Until then a great many individuals were recognized as saints locally and then universally without any say so from the pope at all. 
    Logged
    "You must train harder than the enemy who is trying to kill you. You will get all the rest you need in the grave."- Leon Degrelle
    Pages: 1 [2]
    « previous next »