Author Topic: Greatest Impediment to Traditionalist Movement (Read 4832 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #30 on:** May 26, 2013, 06:26:15 PM »

What's the problem with the CMRI? Did you have some sort of bad experience at a CMRI chapel?

As for the SSPX, they've become liberal under Bishop Fellay's leadership.

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In other words, those who actually put the faith before the mass

Are you implying that those who attend an SSPX or CMRI Mass aren't putting the Faith before the Mass?

Alcuin · « **Reply #31 on:** May 27, 2013, 05:47:13 AM »

The Greatest Impediment is that 99% of Trads will grant exemptions to the salvation dogma.

bowler · « **Reply #32 on:** May 27, 2013, 05:50:07 PM »

Quote from: Alcuin

The Greatest Impediment is that 99% of Trads will grant exemptions to the salvation dogma.

Can't argue with that.

Though I think the greatest impediment is God. There are few real trads because the world has been abandoned by God to their owns desire.
That is the punishment of Vatican II, everyone is left to do as they please and even find a priest to tell them that they are just fine as they are (if they even bother to ask a priest).

Saint John Eudes said that when God is angry with His people, He sends them bad priests as a chastisement. Here is what he wrote in his book, The Priest, His Dignity and Obligations:

“The most evident mark of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clergy who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than charity and affection of devoted shepherds ...
“When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, ‘Return O ye revolting children ... and I will give you pastors according to My own heart’. (Jer. 3:14,15) Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests constitute a scourge upon the people in consequence of sin.”4

Saint John Eudes warns us that as punishment for man’s sins, God will send us priests who are not according to His own heart, who have a different spirit from that of the Sacred Heart of Our Lord, who have a different heart from that of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.

Good Catholics get what they pray for.

Catholics who are indifferent, CINO, and fallen away, get what they desire, AS A PUNISHMENT. We have bad clergy today because that is what the majority of baptized Catholics wanted. They wanted priest that act like any lax Catholic layman, that are “birth control, no confession, no rosaries, you are all good and going to heaven” priests. That is what they got! A CHATISEMENT from God.

Binechi · « **Reply #33 on:** May 27, 2013, 07:05:12 PM »

Along these lines of not hearing any sermons on the No Salvation Dogma,
When is the last time you heard a sound sermon on Hell.

Running thru my old tapes , I picked up this one by a Fr. Marcel Nault. Called , "Hell, and the brown Sacpular".

In it he details in no uncertain terms, those who are in hell for the sins of , Omission. He tells how there are Priests in hell who put themselves there, for the soul reason that they never preached on hell. Our lord speaks many more times on hell , then on heaven. More souls have been turned around on a good sermon on hell, then for any other reason

Also how many of us out there are still wearing our brown Sacpular, as when we were indoctrinated in it years ago.

Some thoughts to think about, Time to approch our Priests to remind them that there is a hell , and most people go there. A good fire and brimstone sermon may save a few.

Fr. Nault stresses to always obey the ten Commandments , pray the full Rosary, wear the Brown Scapular , Devotion to Our Lady.

makes sense to me .

Napoli · « **Reply #34 on:** May 27, 2013, 09:21:33 PM »

Hey Director. Dimonds are a big no no here.

They are nutcases.

Mabel · « **Reply #35 on:** May 27, 2013, 10:39:26 PM »

Taking on authority not given to us is one of the biggest problems. Another would be making enemies out of every Catholic that doesn't see things our way. We only have one enemy, and it's not one another.

bowler · « **Reply #36 on:** May 28, 2013, 04:17:19 AM »

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: Alcuin
The Greatest Impediment is that 99% of Trads will grant exemptions to the salvation dogma.

Can't argue with that.

Though I think the greatest impediment is God. There are few real trads because the world has been abandoned by God to their owns desire.
That is the punishment of Vatican II, everyone is left to do as they please and even find a priest to tell them that they are just fine as they are (if they even bother to ask a priest).

Saint John Eudes said that when God is angry with His people, He sends them bad priests as a chastisement. Here is what he wrote in his book, The Priest, His Dignity and Obligations:

“The most evident mark of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clergy who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than charity and affection of devoted shepherds ...
“When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, ‘Return O ye revolting children ... and I will give you pastors according to My own heart’. (Jer. 3:14,15) Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests constitute a scourge upon the people in consequence of sin.”4

Saint John Eudes warns us that as punishment for man’s sins, God will send us priests who are not according to His own heart, who have a different spirit from that of the Sacred Heart of Our Lord, who have a different heart from that of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.

Good Catholics get what they pray for.

Catholics who are indifferent, CINO, and fallen away, get what they desire, AS A PUNISHMENT. We have bad clergy today because that is what the majority of baptized Catholics wanted. They wanted priest that act like any lax Catholic layman, that are “birth control, no confession, no rosaries, you are all good and going to heaven” priests. That is what they got! A CHATISEMENT from God.

I'm talking here about why very few Catholics are traditionalist, why they don't come over to tradition from the Novus Ordo or from being fallen away Catholics. In European Catholic countries like France scarcely 5% of Catholics go to mass! It is a punishment from God upon them, read above. Hope that makes it clearer.

It has nothing to do with us and how we behave when they show up.

There are over 1,000,000,000 Catholics, traditionalist represent less than 1% of Catholics!

fidelismaris · « **Reply #37 on:** May 28, 2013, 05:41:58 AM »

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Also how many of us out there are still wearing our brown Sacpular, as when we were indoctrinated in it years ago.

Forgive me, but I do not understand your wording. Do you mean invested in it and fallen away, or are you saying we were "indoctrinated" in it as if that were a bad thing?

As for what could be holding back the Traditionalist movement... relationship with young people!

As a young person who has very, very recently discovered Tradition, I resent the idea that I have been taught what was true good and beautiful and have disregarded it through the years. While for some that might be true, many of us have an entirely different set of challenges to overcome. I was taught Modernist garbage my entire life, and I am just now learning Truth by the grace of God.

I would say stop treating young people like the enemy, and start treating us with dignity. So often we have never even been told the truth in the first place and are left to figure it out for ourselves. Often we are even terrified to ask basic questions because we will be smacked down for not already knowing. How can we know if you will not teach us?

Binechi · « **Reply #38 on:** May 28, 2013, 07:26:43 AM »

Invested , is a better word. Thank you... Indoctrinated as in a good thing.

As far as what is "Truth". God is truth... In todays world, for one coming from the NO, or Novus Ordo Church, the best advise one could give in normal times , would be for that person to go to his Priest , in a privated setting.
In todays world , we no longer have that luxary, as even with the three main Traditional groups, There is disagreement as to what is the truth, on various Church teachings.
Pray to the Mother of God , to guide you, Pray the Rosary devoutly every day, and be of good will , and she will guide you along the way.

Oh ,, and throw out the TV and the smart phones , the biggest distraction by the devil to take away your Soul.

Maizar · « **Reply #39 on:** May 28, 2013, 08:03:59 AM »

In defense of traditional Catholics, they by and large do their very best and do not intend to fall into the predictable traps that come from marginalization and standing up to incessant attacks by the worldly majority that surrounds them. I don't think they are vicious, as a rule, and most are working very hard to live the model Christian life.

The greatest impediment is simply that Traditional Catholicism is now the remnant, yet not enough Catholics realize this. We are surrounded by enemies, deceit and betrayal. We cannot afford to be bunnies in the headlights.