How can those in the Novus Ordo just not see it still? Or even "meet things halfway" sometimes? I mean at the very least have some kind of curiosity about Catholic Tradition, SSPX, etc.? It just goes to show that people will choose what they choose through their own free will as we can judge from the external forum. I remember Geremia in another thread pointing out concerning Amoris Laetitia how things in the Novus Ordo are judged by the internal forum and not by the external forum. Nevertheless, it still comes simply down to whether a Catholic decides to be courageous for God or gives in to human respect.