Fr. J.S: The destruction of the faith among nations and individuals after Vatican II is enough to show that the great apostasy is ongoing and the post-conciliar anti-popes are the ones teaching and implementing the doctrines of the Antichrist.

It is because of the vacancy of the seat of Peter which is now usurped by an antipope that prepares for the coming of the Antichrist.[/b]

So, the post-conciliar "anti-popes" are implementing the doctrines of a man who hasn't even been seen on the earth yet?

Which is it? Antichrist is a man, or he's a movement? Tradition says he will be an individual man.

Only Christ can affect the world during, after, and BEFORE His advent.

Please don't ascribe every evil in the world to the Antichrist -- especially when he's not even here yet. You're giving him divine attributes he doesn't have.

Fr. J.S: The destruction of the faith among nations and individuals after Vatican II is enough to show that the great apostasy is ongoing and the post-conciliar anti-popes are the ones teaching and implementing the doctrines of the Antichrist.

It is because of the vacancy of the seat of Peter which is now usurped by an antipope that prepares for the coming of the Antichrist

So, the post-conciliar "anti-popes" are implementing the doctrines of a man who hasn't even been seen on the earth yet?

Only Christ can affect the world during, after, and BEFORE His advent.

Please don't ascribe every evil in the world to the Antichrist -- especially when he's not even here yet. You're giving him divine attributes he doesn't have.

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We shift from a discussion on SV to who or what the Antichrist is.

Saint John talks about antichrists who lived in his time.  In Scripture a word can be a composite of things, some symbolic some literal, among other "types" the King of the Jєωs was David but is also Jesus.  Prophecy can be talking about both King David regarding a particular event that points to a different at the end of time.  

The debate about the anti-Christ is not put so neatly in a box by the experts throughout the ages as you have managed to do.

So, the post-conciliar "anti-popes" are implementing the doctrines of a man who hasn't even been seen on the earth yet?

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We do not know that either way.  But to use a world-wide vessel to snatch away as many souls as possible seems to fit the description.  Yes.  

Only Christ can affect the world during, after, and BEFORE His advent.

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Blatantly wrong.  From the beginning of time Christ always had man, and angels effect the world, with His help of course.  Man and angels can do nothing apart from him.  But man has affected pretty good (bad) on his own, going against God's will.  It is called free-will.  Man affects the world before His advent.  Isn't advent the time BEFORE His coming?  Are we not already in the advent BEFORE His Second Coming?

Please don't ascribe every evil in the world to the Antichrist -- especially when he's not even here yet. You're giving him divine attributes he doesn't have.

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Where did I ascribe "every evil in the world" to the Antichrist?  Saint John ascribes all evil to anti-christs.  The anti-christ will embody all evil in a sense and your leaders that you don't follow are CERTAINLY paving his way, he will not have to do much work when he starts manifesting himself as most of the work has already been done for him.  Mainly all religions are more or less good which is akin to saying none are true and is practical atheism in effect.  The world is dumbed down, and the anti-popes who fool all the would be Catholics and give anti-Catholics reason to think they are right are a big part of that.

St. John referred to anti-christs SMALL A. You use a capital A. Big difference.

Catholic teaching -- Fathers, Scripture and Tradition -- states that there will be a MAN who will be the Antichrist (capital A).

I didn't say man couldn't affect his world. That would be a very foolish thing to say indeed!

I said that, unlike Christ, man can only affect the world DURING his life, and perhaps AFTER it if he was very influential and/or powerful. But what man can influence the world before he is born? No one.

Christ did.

The Antichrist cannot. He can make use of the evil works that men have done before his birth, but he is not divine.

Matthew

we are still not discussing the point.  Is SV correct or not.  The way for the anti-Christ can be prepared for him even if he is not dictating to man what to do much as free-masonry has prepared the way for Obama or v2 prepared the way for Catholics loyal to Ratzinger to believe in worshipping with heretics and countless other non-Catholic things.

Again you are putting the focus on things that do not have to do with the accuracy of SV.  Perhaps that is an intentional diversionary tactic.

FWIW, the term "antichrist/Antichrist" is not found in the Apocalypse.  He is called 'the beast.'

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Perhaps that is an intentional diversionary tactic.

Considering this is his forum, I doubt it.  He could just divert you (or me, or whomever) right out the door.

Presuming the worst about any possible diversion, it seems clear that such would be innocent enough.

He saw an (apparent?) weak point and went for it; we all do this.  Carry on...

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When you say "he is here," do you believe he is a member of cathinfo? :wink:

Thank you GV.  So the anti-Christ makes the SV reality weak.  Can YOU explain this further?  In your opinion does it seem like the conciliar leaders have done a remarkable job in paving the way for him.  Also, thanks for the clarifications which I value.  Have not looked at the anti-christ in years but I can smell his precursors a mile away.

So the anti-Christ makes the SV reality weak.  Can YOU explain this further?

If you point to where I said anything of the kind, I would be happy to oblige.

I believe you simply misread my words.

There is no doubt this V2 and post-V2 period has been naught but preparation.  For what?  Well, I do not believe we will have to wait very long to find out.