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Offline countrychurch

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Is your Heresy Detector working?
« on: April 15, 2017, 04:39:19 PM »
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    • How do we know heresy from orthodoxy, in cases that are not obvious?

    I mean, Luther taught that we are all utterly depraved and incapable of being "righteous"

    Well, that is essentially true. But he carried things to an extreme by saying that b/c we are incapable of... not sinning? we shouldn't even bother trying. At one point he said that we should "sin boldly" and this was supposed to somehow thwart or confuse or whatever... the devil. Yikes! Why people still quote Luther and half-a#@ follow him is byond me.

    Well, anyway, the Sacraments (and giving up mortal sin, working on venial sin) does make a person "justified."

    But anyway, my point is that sometimes it is difficult discerning what is really heresy. I mean, yeh... once saved always saved is such an egregious LIE that a 3rd grader knows it is false, but the fact that many believe this bizarre teaching indicates just how fallen we humans are..

    anyway, i had another point, but it looks like that will have to wait for later since i cannot recall what it was.

    I guess one point is that some false beliefs are not as obviously false as others
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #1 on: April 15, 2017, 10:49:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: countrychurch on April 15, 2017, 04:39:19 PM
    How do we know heresy from orthodoxy, in cases that are not obvious?

    I mean, Luther taught that we are all utterly depraved and incapable of being "righteous".  Well, that is essentially true. 
    No, this is essentially false. Jesus tells us Matt 5:48:
    Be thou perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect. 
    He does not make demands that are impossible to fullfil.
    To discern the difference between heresy and Truth you must learn and follow what the Church has taught from the beginning and what has been defined by the Church (that is you must follow tradition). The Church teaching is the guide to what is Truth, and we must pray for the gifts of the Holy Spirit, especially the ability to discern truth from falsehood.
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 11:56:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on April 15, 2017, 10:49:11 PM
    No, this is essentially false. Jesus tells us Matt 5:48:
    Be thou perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.
    He does not make demands that are impossible to fullfil.
    To discern the difference between heresy and Truth you must learn and follow what the Church has taught from the beginning and what has been defined by the Church (that is you must follow tradition). The Church teaching is the guide to what is Truth, and we must pray for the gifts of the Holy Spirit, especially the ability to discern truth from falsehood.

    OP's heresy detector not working.
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 12:08:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 17, 2017, 11:56:19 AM
    OP's heresy detector not working.


    Nor is yours, Mr. sede-doubtism.
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 01:04:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: BumphreyHogart on April 17, 2017, 12:08:03 PM

    Nor is yours, Mr. sede-doubtism.

    I have detected your heresies quite well, thank you very much, Mr. Nado ... although I do admit that it wasn't much of a challenge in your case.
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 01:17:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 17, 2017, 01:04:35 PM
    I have detected your heresies quite well, thank you very much, Mr. Nado ... although I do admit that it wasn't much of a challenge in your case.

    Unfortunately, you think so, and cannot put your money where you mouth is. Next!
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 06:52:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on April 15, 2017, 10:49:11 PM

    No, this is essentially false. Jesus tells us Matt 5:48:
    Be thou perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.
    He does not make demands that are impossible to fullfil.
    To discern the difference between heresy and Truth you must learn and follow what the Church has taught from the beginning and what has been defined by the Church (that is you must follow tradition). The Church teaching is the guide to what is Truth, and we must pray for the gifts of the Holy Spirit, especially the ability to discern truth from falsehood.
    this sounds like something I wrote yrs ago when defending catholicism against protestantism, esp the first part about being perfect as per Mt 5:48

    But here's the problem: what does it mean to follow the Church? There is massive division in the Church. Even the sedas are not united against the Vatican!

    some say Pope Pius XII was the last true pope, some say others

    I think it is best for people to admit (gee, here's a thought) when they just do NOT KNOW something! That sounds better to people outside the Church than... saying yeh, i KNOW that such and such pope was the last true pope... and then finding out maybe you are wrong

    it is OK to say you don't know

    Catholics need to focus on what they DO KNOW

    and then, maybe... just maybe, we will begin to convert a few people.. which we are required to try to do. If we do not evangelize, we jeopardize our salvation (Catechism)
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 06:56:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on April 17, 2017, 01:04:35 PM
    I have detected your heresies quite well, thank you very much, Mr. Nado ... although I do admit that it wasn't much of a challenge in your case.
    It is hard 2b charitable w/ such folks... sigh
    But the saints say that after sɛҳuąƖ sin, the sins against charity are the ones that most often lead people to Hell. And so we must deal w/ such posters in a charitable way. I say the best way to be charitable to such is to totally ignore. Poster may disagree but ignoring is the only way to go imo. "If your foot causes you to stumble..."
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #8 on: April 18, 2017, 12:08:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: countrychurch on April 17, 2017, 06:52:10 PM
    this sounds like something I wrote yrs ago when defending catholicism against protestantism, esp the first part about being perfect as per Mt 5:48

    But here's the problem: what does it mean to follow the Church? There is massive division in the Church. Even the sedas are not united against the Vatican!

    some say Pope Pius XII was the last true pope, some say others

    I think it is best for people to admit (gee, here's a thought) when they just do NOT KNOW something! That sounds better to people outside the Church than... saying yeh, i KNOW that such and such pope was the last true pope... and then finding out maybe you are wrong

    it is OK to say you don't know

    Catholics need to focus on what they DO KNOW

    and then, maybe... just maybe, we will begin to convert a few people.. which we are required to try to do. If we do not evangelize, we jeopardize our salvation (Catechism)

    There really is no "massive disunity", as such a thing is totally against the nature of the Church.


    Whether or not some Catholics have differing opinions about the crisis in the Church or who is or is not the pope, does not change the nature (we say the four marks of the Church). The only Curch which has any validity is the Catholic Church, which is ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC ( ie  universal) and APOSTOLIC.


    Individuals may have differing opinions but none of these is a guide. And these opinions do not cause disunity in the Church.


    We have only to learn what the Church has taught and to follow to the best of our abilities, making the best use we can of the graces offered to each one of us in our individual situations according to our state in life.


    It is not the role of the layman to make decisions for anyone but himself about how he is to deal with the present confusion.


    It is easy to get distracted with side-issues, but we must keep our mind fixed on our final outcome, remembering that there have been times of confusion before, but always Mary and the saints to help us through, remembering that Our Lady is the crusher of all heresy, through her Rosary.


    Happy Easter Countrychurch!
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #9 on: April 18, 2017, 01:47:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: countrychurch on April 17, 2017, 06:52:10 PM
    this sounds like something I wrote yrs ago when defending catholicism against protestantism, esp the first part about being perfect as per Mt 5:48

    But here's the problem: what does it mean to follow the Church? There is massive division in the Church. Even the sedas are not united against the Vatican!

    some say Pope Pius XII was the last true pope, some say others

    I think it is best for people to admit (gee, here's a thought) when they just do NOT KNOW something! That sounds better to people outside the Church than... saying yeh, i KNOW that such and such pope was the last true pope... and then finding out maybe you are wrong

    it is OK to say you don't know

    Catholics need to focus on what they DO KNOW

    and then, maybe... just maybe, we will begin to convert a few people.. which we are required to try to do. If we do not evangelize, we jeopardize our salvation (Catechism)

    We have 2000 years of Church teaching to provide us with everything we need to know. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to say they don't know the current state of the Church. Church teaching tells us that if Francis has uttered even ONE heresy, then he is immediately no longer Pope (quotes at this link). The same rule would apply to prior popes. With Francis uttering countless heresies, this inevitably means we are in a state of sedevacantism. Yet there are tons of people in this forum who will ignore all of this and say "we don't know". Absolute nonsense - take your head out of the sand and go read the quotes!
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    Re: Is your Heresy Detector working?
    « Reply #10 on: April 18, 2017, 02:14:12 PM »
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    • Today, a Catholic does not need much of a detector to see the heresies. We have now almost 60 years of the revolution behind us now. Anyone that is fooled today, is fooled because they have no grace due to their attachment to sins or because they like what they are getting.

    No one is lost without knowing it, and no one is deceived without wanting to be. (St. Teresa of Avila)

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