Author Topic: Is tradition in action totally nuts? (Read 8088 times)

sedetrad · « **Reply #1 on:** August 06, 2009, 03:05:55 PM »

I understand proper forms of dress for mass and all but they want men to wear full suits while marching many miles in sweltering heat? Women in full dresses doing the same? I am by no means a modernist but I seriously doubt that our Catholic ancestors in the middle ages dressed that uncomfortably on such an onerous trek. Please correct me if Im wrong.

Caraffa · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2009, 03:21:49 PM »

I can understand a more "casual" dress when it comes to long pilgrimages. However, I do think that they make some valid points.

sedetrad · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2009, 03:31:09 PM »

The robes that Christ wore and the costumes the Romans wore would be far more comfotable that the above being put forth by Tradition in action.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2009, 03:34:42 PM »

The way I seee the problem is that good thin linen or seersucker is too expensive unless you find a treasure at a second-hand store. That's how to be cool and modest for men and women. Then some good shoes for walking.

:wine-drinking:

Maybe it's because everyone is broke and doesn't have the time to shop with small children.

I'd love to go to this pilgrimage one day!

radtrad · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2009, 07:32:56 PM »

Here is a link to the article with the corresponding pictures. Look at some of the photos. They are NOT modest, plain and simple.

I love this web forum. TIA is "totally nuts" because it advocates for modesty in dress? Haha!

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I am by no means a modernist but I seriously doubt that our Catholic ancestors in the middle ages dressed that uncomfortably on such an onerous trek. Please correct me if Im wrong.

Well, how do we know what they wore in the middle ages? Besides, the author of the article writes:

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I am not pretending that we should dress like Catholics did 100 years ago - or 1,000 years ago. But at all times the Catholic way of dressing should show dignity.

Could it be that we are all modernists to an extent as we have grown up in a culture that is saturated with modernism? Is it possible that we are so used to being overly comfortable that it is unimaginable to dress as the author suggests? Note that I wrote "we" as I accuse myself of this too.

Robert

Vladimir · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2009, 07:35:04 PM »

I believe that this issue is out of hand.

TIA is being to critical. Do you criticise everyone who is not in suit and tie at Holy Mass?

clare · « **Reply #7 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:32:05 AM »

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TIA is "totally nuts" because it advocates for modesty in dress? Haha!

No, it's nuts because it advocates remaining completely aloof and inaccessible, and seems not to aprreciate the possibility that people might be at different stages on their journeys in tradition. And anyone who isn't at their stage is simply not good enough.

Instead of being pleased that "ordinary" people should be attracted to tradition, it laments the fact that a lot of traditionalists are merely "ordinary".

Dawn · « **Reply #8 on:** August 08, 2009, 07:42:36 AM »

I have seen pictures of my Italian relatives ,all Catholic ,all dressed impeccably at all times. The men with suit coats and ties and hats even in the summer. The women always wore dress, full frontal apron and stockings. These men would wear what they called "summer suite" to go fishing.
We are too accustomed to comfort, I say we as I detest hot weather like we will have today. Still, I will wear an ankle length skirt and elbow length shirt to go shopping today. My mother always told us that there was never an excuse to look poor and shabby.

clare · « **Reply #9 on:** August 08, 2009, 09:26:09 AM »

From Introduction to the Devout Life by St Francis De Sales:

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In his early days, Saint Bernard was very severe and harsh towards those whom he directed, telling them, to begin with, that they must put aside the body, and come to him with their minds only. In confession, he treated all faults, however small, with extreme severity, and his poor apprentices in the study of perfection were so urged onwards, that by dint of pressing he kept them back, for they lost heart and breath when they found themselves thus driven up so steep and high an ascent. Therein, my daughter, you can see that, although it was his ardent zeal for the most perfect purity which led that great Saint so to act, and although such zeal is a great virtue, still it was a virtue which required checking. And so God Himself checked it in a vision, by which He filled S. Bernard with so gentle, tender, and loving a spirit, that he was altogether changed, blaming himself heavily for having been so strict and so severe, and becoming so kindly and indulgent, that he made himself all things to all men in order to win all.

MrsZ · « **Reply #10 on:** August 08, 2009, 11:02:21 AM »

I agree that we are too accustomed to comfort in this present day and time. Many of us, myself included, find it almost unbearable to wear anything that offers any tension around the waist or elsewhere. Who wouldn't feel more comfortable in p.j.'s or loose fitting pants and baggy tee shirts? We all do.

It's been a pet theory of mine that all of life is about 'resistance' one way or another. We resist all that causes us to feel a tension within us, resisting temptation creates a feeling of tension, and even the wearing of more modest, appropriate clothing creates a feeling of discomfort, ie., tension.

I can also agree with the concept that in this day and age, dressing out of the norm not only causes attention to be paid to oneself, but might also create a social barrier between people who might otherwise feel more comfortable with one another.

On the other hand. many secular types are fascinated by the Amish and others who live outside the mainstream in a modest and plain fashion. If you dress like everyone else, you also may miss opportunities for evangelization because no one can tell that you are a serious Catholic.

God Bless,
MrsZ

Elizabeth · « **Reply #11 on:** August 08, 2009, 11:09:13 AM »

I love the St. Bernard bit!!! I think really good points are being made.

And Dawn's Mother is right! No excuse for loooking poor and shabby.

I happen to enjoy Tradition in Action and tend to find most of what I have read there agreeable, for years.

Some people have this elitist view of Tradition, and it makes me SICK. The hypocrisy!and obsessive control stuff -yuk.

Caraffa · « **Reply #12 on:** August 08, 2009, 02:41:22 PM »

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it laments the fact that a lot of traditionalists are merely "ordinary".

A lot of traditionalists being "ordinary" may be a problem though.

Elizabeth · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2009, 05:59:32 PM »

Ah, Caraffa, I find ordinary people thinking they are superior worse!

radtrad · « **Reply #14 on:** August 08, 2009, 06:12:54 PM »

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Ah, Caraffa, I find ordinary people thinking they are superior worse!

Are you insinuating that TIA thinks they are superior?

Robert