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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Jr1991 on August 15, 2022, 06:42:01 PM
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I ask because in reading through several bulletins from the SSPX, they do not mention today as being a Holy Day of Obligation. I then see that the Thuc chapel, which is currently the only Traditional Mass center in my area, says it is. Then I check the Novus Ordo calendar, and they say it is not. The indult/Novus Ordo says it is not. Is the SSPX simply following the Novus Ordo calendar?
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The Australasian Catholic Calendar produced by Fr Eldracher says Yes.
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Thank you for the response. The crisis in the Church is so deep that even Trads can't figure out what is a Holy day Of Obligation. I just checked the Novus Ordo Bishop's website, and they say no.
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I'm guessing that is what the SSPX is following. The NO calendar that is.
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The SSPX chapel in my area had today as a Holy Day.
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The sspx in my area announced masses for today, but not that it was a holy day of obligation. Actually, the priest talked about the divine mercy chaplet. Ugh.
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They are just being consistent with their belief that the V2 papal claimants are legitimate popes. I don't really fault them because it's only consistent. For many years, the SSPX used to tell people that these were Holy Days of Obligation, despite acknowledging the authorities that said it wasn't any longer.
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The SSPX chapel in my area had today as a Holy Day.
Yes, Father said it was for us as well. Although I couldn't go since I've been sick all weekend :'(
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Yes, Father said it was for us as well. Although I couldn't go since I've been sick all weekend :'(
It's hard to say, since I believe that it's up to the bishop of each diocese? Not sure or if this priest is "old school"?
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US CATHOLIC HOLY DAYS OF OBLIGATION FOR 2022
This leaves us with five holy days of obligation outside of Sundays. The following are holy days of obligation in the U.S. for 2022:
- Solemnity of Mary, January 1*
- Ascension of Jesus, May 26 — Celebrated on the sixth Thursday after Easter Sunday*
- Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, August 15*
- Solemnity of All Saints, November 1
- Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary, December 8
*An individual bishop may transfer a holy day to a Sunday. This is the case in most US dioceses with the Ascension of Jesus, which is transferred to the Seventh Sunday of Easter. Since the Solemnity of Mary falls on a Saturday and the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary falls on a Monday this year, they may also be transferred to the closest Sunday. Check with your local diocese.
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The Feast of the Assumption was a Holy Day of Obligation in our area. Great day for our area! Many travelled to the city at night too! God bless them!
The SSPX stated it was a Holy Day of Obligation and offered two masses morning low Mass and night high Mass out of state in the city.
The Indult also stated it was Holy Day of obligation and had a huge high Mass at night out of state in the city.
The Independent chapel had a morning low Mass for the Feast of the Assumption. I went to confession and Mass. Yay!
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The holy days of obligation for Latin Church Catholics are indicated in canon 1246 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law
Can. 1246. §1. Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated, must be observed in the universal Church as the primordial holy day of obligation. The following days must also be observed: the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension, the Body and Blood of Christ, Holy Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, Saint Joseph, Saint Peter and Saint Paul the Apostles, and All Saints. §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.
Placed in the order of the liturgical calendar, the ten days (apart from Sundays) that this canon mentions are:
8 December: Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary
25 December: Solemnity of the Nativity of the Lord (Christmas)
1 January: Solemnity of Mary, the Holy Mother of God
6 January: Solemnity of the Epiphany of the Lord
19 March: Solemnity of Saint Joseph, Spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Thursday of the sixth week of Eastertide: Solemnity of the Ascension of the Lord
Thursday after Trinity Sunday: Solemnity of the Most Holy Body and Blood of Christ (Feast of Corpus Christi)
29 June: Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul, Apostles
15 August: Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary
1 November: Solemnity of All Saints
The number of holy days of obligation was once much greater. With the motu proprio of 2 July 1911, Supremi disciplinae, Pope Pius X reduced the number of such non-Sunday holy days from 36 to 8: the above 10 dates (1 January was then the Feast of the Circuмcision of Christ) minus the feasts the Body and Blood of Christ, and Saint Joseph. The present list was established in canon 1247 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, now canon 1246 of the current Code of Canon Law.
Even before the time of Pius X, the bishops in many countries had obtained the Holy See's approval to diminish the number of non-Sunday holy days of obligation, making it less than 36. Today too, episcopal conferences have availed themselves of the authority granted them to reduce the number below the ten mentioned above.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_day_of_obligation#:~:text=The%20following%20days%20must%20also,%C2%A72.
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The SSPX priest at my chapel said it was a Holy Day of Obligation. Novus Ordo and FSSP in my area say it is not.
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The holy days of obligation for Latin Church Catholics are indicated in canon 1246 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law
Can. 1246. §1. Sunday, on which by apostolic tradition the paschal mystery is celebrated, must be observed in the universal Church as the primordial holy day of obligation. The following days must also be observed: the Nativity of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Epiphany, the Ascension, the Body and Blood of Christ, Holy Mary the Mother of God, her Immaculate Conception, her Assumption, Saint Joseph, Saint Peter and Saint Paul the Apostles, and All Saints. §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.
Placed in the order of the liturgical calendar, the ten days (apart from Sundays) that this canon mentions are:
8 December: Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary
25 December: Solemnity of the Nativity of the Lord (Christmas)
1 January: Solemnity of Mary, the Holy Mother of God
6 January: Solemnity of the Epiphany of the Lord
19 March: Solemnity of Saint Joseph, Spouse of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Thursday of the sixth week of Eastertide: Solemnity of the Ascension of the Lord
Thursday after Trinity Sunday: Solemnity of the Most Holy Body and Blood of Christ (Feast of Corpus Christi)
29 June: Solemnity of Saints Peter and Paul, Apostles
15 August: Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary
1 November: Solemnity of All Saints
The number of holy days of obligation was once much greater. With the motu proprio of 2 July 1911, Supremi disciplinae, Pope Pius X reduced the number of such non-Sunday holy days from 36 to 8: the above 10 dates (1 January was then the Feast of the Circuмcision of Christ) minus the feasts the Body and Blood of Christ, and Saint Joseph. The present list was established in canon 1247 of the 1917 Code of Canon Law, now canon 1246 of the current Code of Canon Law.
Even before the time of Pius X, the bishops in many countries had obtained the Holy See's approval to diminish the number of non-Sunday holy days of obligation, making it less than 36. Today too, episcopal conferences have availed themselves of the authority granted them to reduce the number below the ten mentioned above.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_day_of_obligation#:~:text=The%20following%20days%20must%20also,%C2%A72.
Baltimore Catechism:
Q. 1333. How many holydays of obligation are there in this country?
A. In this country there are six holydays of obligation, namely:
1. Feast of the Immaculate Conception (Dec. 8th);
2. Christmas (Dec. 25th);
3. Feast of the Circuмcision of Our Lord (Jan. 1st);
4. Feast of the Ascension of Our Lord (forty days after Easter);
5. Feast of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin (Aug. 15th); and
6. Feast of All Saints (Nov. 1st).
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The N.O. Bishop in my area says it is automatically moved to Sunday, so there was no mass yesterday. I’m not surprised as I discovered the same thing way back in 1996 while vacationing close to where I now live. I’ve no idea about SSPX or other Latin Mass because there is none anywhere close by. Actually, there IS TLM, a little shy of three hour’s drive, but it’s in Canada and the unvaxxed are not welcome. Besides that, I don’t possess other necessary papers like a passport or an enhanced driver’s license, so they still won’t let me in.
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The N.O. Bishop in my area says it is automatically moved to Sunday, so there was no mass yesterday.
§2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.
I don't think it was moved to Sunday. In the Diocese of Spokane (WA), and everywhere else that I know of, Sunday the 14th was the 20th Sunday in Ordinary Time and Monday the 15th was the Feast of the Assumption. This is also what is printed on my Catholic calendar, which is distributed nationally by the Catholic Church Extension Society. However, it was not a day of obligation this year. When a Holy Day of Obligation occurs on a Saturday or a Monday the obligation is typically dispensed. The only exception I've observed is the Feast of the Nativity (Christmas), which remains a day of obligation even if it is the day before or the day after a Sunday, and that Sunday (the 24th or the 26th) also remains a day of obligation. If a Holy Day of Obligation falls on a Sunday its Mass and Office take the place of that Sunday's Mass and Office, which is what happened with the Assumption last year in 2021.
Most parishes will have daily Mass and on Monday August 15 that would have been the Mass of the Assumption. The only difference is that if the day had been one of obligation this year additional Masses would have been added, including in the evening to accommodate working people. A parish 45 miles from me had a 1962 missal High Mass at 8:30 AM yesterday.
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St. Thomas More in Sanford, FL did not list it in their bulletin as a Holy Day of Obligation
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I think we need to be more specific for this year. The NO says that if it (Holy Day, in this case, the Assumption) falls on a Saturday or Monday, then it is fulfilled on that Sunday. I know that a mission in California announced that the Sunday was being observed as the Assumption, and I heard a priest in Post Falls say that technically, the current law did not require attendance on Monday, but...you should go out of respect to Our Lady. So yes, Lad is correct, in the nutty R&R theology, they are being consistent.
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It's hard to say, since I believe that it's up to the bishop of each diocese? Not sure or if this priest is "old school"?
Fr. Kenneth Dean, he's pretty "old school." I have a feeling it has to do with our diocese though.
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Fr. Kenneth Dean, he's pretty "old school." I have a feeling it has to do with our diocese though.
Father Dean is definitely old school. He was a professor at STAS when I was there about 33 years ago now (was recently ordained back then).
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The only holy day of obligation in the United States that is transferred as a rule to a Sunday is Ascension. The only dioceses that keep Ascension on the actual Thursday are: Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Omaha, and Philadelphia.
For January 1 and August 15, if these fall on a Saturday or Monday, the holy days are not transferred, nor abrogated; what the NO bishops decided in 1992 was simply to abrogate the obligation to attend Holy Mass.
To illustrate the difference: in the diocese of Honolulu, all canonical holy days of obligation for the US are abrogated except Christmas and Immaculate Conception.
To further illustrate, when Immaculate Conception falls on Saturday or Monday, the obligation to attend Mass has not been abrogated by the bishops. But if it falls on Sunday, the holy day is transferred to Monday, and the precept to attend Mass is abrogated. Hence there is still "technically" a holy day.
But remember that for every holy day of obligation (and Sunday), there are two obligations: 1) Mass attendance on the day of (in the NO, there is the novelty of anticipating the obligation the evening before); and 2) abstain from servile work that would hinder the worship due to God. These are distinct obligations although linked (resting is ordered to worship). Even without Mass attendance, worship is still possible but merely private and devotional.
Hence the US bishops, by suppressing the principal obligation and never mentioning the second, wink at a lukewarm populace with the suggestion that there is no more holy day. When the burden to attend Mass is removed, why should I further take on the "burden" to rest?
The 1983 Code does not offer the option of merely abrogating Mass attendance as the US bishops did; rather one suppresses the holy day entirely (as Honolulu did) or transfers it to Sunday (as in Ascension).
In short, these days are technically still holy days of obligation "in name only" with any mention of obligation being lifted when, by "calendrical accident", these days happen to impose "too great a burden on Modern Man of ambiguous and fluctuating gender".
It's a missed opportunity for a traditional priest to fail to point out the ridiculous madness of this situation—although some do—and instead inadvertently create greater confusion in the faithful.
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The only holy day of obligation in the United States that is transferred as a rule to a Sunday is Ascension. The only dioceses that keep Ascension on the actual Thursday are: Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Omaha, and Philadelphia.
For January 1 and August 15, if these fall on a Saturday or Monday, the holy days are not transferred, nor abrogated; what the NO bishops decided in 1992 was simply to abrogate the obligation to attend Holy Mass.
To illustrate the difference: in the diocese of Honolulu, all canonical holy days of obligation for the US are abrogated except Christmas and Immaculate Conception.
To further illustrate, when Immaculate Conception falls on Saturday or Monday, the obligation to attend Mass has not been abrogated by the bishops. But if it falls on Sunday, the holy day is transferred to Monday, and the precept to attend Mass is abrogated. Hence there is still "technically" a holy day.
But remember that for every holy day of obligation (and Sunday), there are two obligations: 1) Mass attendance on the day of (in the NO, there is the novelty of anticipating the obligation the evening before); and 2) abstain from servile work that would hinder the worship due to God. These are distinct obligations although linked (resting is ordered to worship). Even without Mass attendance, worship is still possible but merely private and devotional.
Hence the US bishops, by suppressing the principal obligation and never mentioning the second, wink at a lukewarm populace with the suggestion that there is no more holy day. When the burden to attend Mass is removed, why should I further take on the "burden" to rest?
The 1983 Code does not offer the option of merely abrogating Mass attendance as the US bishops did; rather one suppresses the holy day entirely (as Honolulu did) or transfers it to Sunday (as in Ascension).
In short, these days are technically still holy days of obligation "in name only" with any mention of obligation being lifted when, by "calendrical accident", these days happen to impose "too great a burden on Modern Man of ambiguous and fluctuating gender".
It's a missed opportunity for a traditional priest to fail to point out the ridiculous madness of this situation—although some do—and instead inadvertently create greater confusion in the faithful.
The Diocese of Honolulu covers all of the Hawaiian Islands, so for some, there's very remote areas with limited/no access to a parish or limited access by plane or boat. This is the only abrogation I understand.
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The N.O. bishop in my area deemed it a "Holy Day of Opportunity" since it fell on a Monday.
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The N.O. bishop in my area deemed it a "Holy Day of Opportunity" since it fell on a Monday.
:facepalm: Aren't they adorable?
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Father Dean is definitely old school. He was a professor at STAS when I was there about 33 years ago now (was recently ordained back then).
Yeah, it certainly shows (in a good way). And he's pretty great on YEC.
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Our SSPX priest referred to the day as "traditionally a Holy Day" and gave us Mass on Monday which is not the norm.
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St. Thomas More in Sanford, FL did not list it in their bulletin as a Holy Day of Obligation
Yep. I checked all their missions, not a word on it being the Holy day of obligation. "Today's second collection is for the Buiding Fund" was splattered throughout the bulletin.
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How big and important is the Assumption? Unless recently changed, even utterly-godless, modern France keeps it as a national holiday.
Is it a Holy Day? Absolutely, and one of the most glorious feasts of all. Any "cleric" who believes otherwise is completely suspect, imo.