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Offline moneil

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Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2022, 09:58:00 AM »
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    The N.O. Bishop in my area says it is automatically moved to Sunday, so there was no mass yesterday. 



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    §2. With the prior approval of the Apostolic See, however, the conference of bishops can suppress some of the holy days of obligation or transfer them to a Sunday.

    I don't think it was moved to Sunday.  In the Diocese of Spokane (WA), and everywhere else that I know of, Sunday the 14th was the 20th Sunday in Ordinary Time and Monday the 15th was the Feast of the Assumption.  This is also what is printed on my Catholic calendar, which is distributed nationally by the Catholic Church Extension Society.  However, it was not a day of obligation this year.  When a Holy Day of Obligation occurs on a Saturday or a Monday the obligation is typically dispensed.  The only exception I've observed is the Feast of the Nativity (Christmas), which remains a day of obligation even if it is the day before or the day after a Sunday, and that Sunday (the 24th or the 26th) also remains a day of obligation.  If a Holy Day of Obligation falls on a Sunday its Mass and Office take the place of that Sunday's Mass and Office, which is what happened with the Assumption last year in 2021.

    Most parishes will have daily Mass and on Monday August 15 that would have been the Mass of the Assumption.  The only difference is that if the day had been one of obligation this year additional Masses would have been added, including in the evening to accommodate working people.  A parish 45 miles from me had a 1962 missal High Mass at 8:30 AM yesterday.


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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #16 on: August 16, 2022, 11:09:28 AM »
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  • St. Thomas More in Sanford, FL did not list it in their bulletin as a Holy Day of Obligation 


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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #17 on: August 16, 2022, 12:11:36 PM »
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  • I think we need to be more specific for this year. The NO says that if it (Holy Day, in this case, the Assumption) falls on a Saturday or Monday, then it is fulfilled on that Sunday. I know that a mission in California announced that the Sunday was being observed as the Assumption, and I heard a priest in Post Falls say that technically, the current law did not require attendance on Monday, but...you should go out of respect to Our Lady. So yes, Lad is correct, in the nutty R&R theology, they are being consistent.
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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #18 on: August 16, 2022, 12:46:06 PM »
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  • It's hard to say, since I believe that it's up to the bishop of each diocese?  Not sure or if this priest is "old school"?
    Fr. Kenneth Dean, he's pretty "old school." I have a feeling it has to do with our diocese though. 
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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #19 on: August 16, 2022, 02:51:54 PM »
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  • Fr. Kenneth Dean, he's pretty "old school." I have a feeling it has to do with our diocese though.

    Father Dean is definitely old school.  He was a professor at STAS when I was there about 33 years ago now (was recently ordained back then).


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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #20 on: August 16, 2022, 03:33:40 PM »
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  • The only holy day of obligation in the United States that is transferred as a rule to a Sunday is Ascension. The only dioceses that keep Ascension on the actual Thursday are: Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Omaha, and Philadelphia.

    For January 1 and August 15, if these fall on a Saturday or Monday, the holy days are not transferred, nor abrogated; what the NO bishops decided in 1992 was simply to abrogate the obligation to attend Holy Mass.

    To illustrate the difference: in the diocese of Honolulu, all canonical holy days of obligation for the US are abrogated except Christmas and Immaculate Conception.

    To further illustrate, when Immaculate Conception falls on Saturday or Monday, the obligation to attend Mass has not been abrogated by the bishops. But if it falls on Sunday, the holy day is transferred to Monday, and the precept to attend Mass is abrogated. Hence there is still "technically" a holy day.

    But remember that for every holy day of obligation (and Sunday), there are two obligations: 1) Mass attendance on the day of (in the NO, there is the novelty of anticipating the obligation the evening before); and 2) abstain from servile work that would hinder the worship due to God. These are distinct obligations although linked (resting is ordered to worship). Even without Mass attendance, worship is still possible but merely private and devotional.

    Hence the US bishops, by suppressing the principal obligation and never mentioning the second, wink at a lukewarm populace with the suggestion that there is no more holy day. When the burden to attend Mass is removed, why should I further take on the "burden" to rest?

    The 1983 Code does not offer the option of merely abrogating Mass attendance as the US bishops did; rather one suppresses the holy day entirely (as Honolulu did) or transfers it to Sunday (as in Ascension).

    In short, these days are technically still holy days of obligation "in name only" with any mention of obligation being lifted when, by "calendrical accident", these days happen to impose "too great a burden on Modern Man of ambiguous and fluctuating gender".

    It's a missed opportunity for a traditional priest to fail to point out the ridiculous madness of this situation—although some do—and instead inadvertently create greater confusion in the faithful.

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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #21 on: August 16, 2022, 03:56:46 PM »
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  • The only holy day of obligation in the United States that is transferred as a rule to a Sunday is Ascension. The only dioceses that keep Ascension on the actual Thursday are: Boston, Hartford, New York, Newark, Omaha, and Philadelphia.

    For January 1 and August 15, if these fall on a Saturday or Monday, the holy days are not transferred, nor abrogated; what the NO bishops decided in 1992 was simply to abrogate the obligation to attend Holy Mass.

    To illustrate the difference: in the diocese of Honolulu, all canonical holy days of obligation for the US are abrogated except Christmas and Immaculate Conception.

    To further illustrate, when Immaculate Conception falls on Saturday or Monday, the obligation to attend Mass has not been abrogated by the bishops. But if it falls on Sunday, the holy day is transferred to Monday, and the precept to attend Mass is abrogated. Hence there is still "technically" a holy day.

    But remember that for every holy day of obligation (and Sunday), there are two obligations: 1) Mass attendance on the day of (in the NO, there is the novelty of anticipating the obligation the evening before); and 2) abstain from servile work that would hinder the worship due to God. These are distinct obligations although linked (resting is ordered to worship). Even without Mass attendance, worship is still possible but merely private and devotional.

    Hence the US bishops, by suppressing the principal obligation and never mentioning the second, wink at a lukewarm populace with the suggestion that there is no more holy day. When the burden to attend Mass is removed, why should I further take on the "burden" to rest?

    The 1983 Code does not offer the option of merely abrogating Mass attendance as the US bishops did; rather one suppresses the holy day entirely (as Honolulu did) or transfers it to Sunday (as in Ascension).

    In short, these days are technically still holy days of obligation "in name only" with any mention of obligation being lifted when, by "calendrical accident", these days happen to impose "too great a burden on Modern Man of ambiguous and fluctuating gender".

    It's a missed opportunity for a traditional priest to fail to point out the ridiculous madness of this situation—although some do—and instead inadvertently create greater confusion in the faithful.
    The Diocese of Honolulu covers all of the Hawaiian Islands, so for some, there's very remote areas with limited/no access to a parish or limited access by plane or boat. This is the only abrogation I understand.
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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #22 on: August 16, 2022, 04:25:33 PM »
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  • The N.O. bishop in my area deemed it a "Holy Day of Opportunity" since it fell on a Monday.


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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #23 on: August 16, 2022, 04:34:58 PM »
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  • The N.O. bishop in my area deemed it a "Holy Day of Opportunity" since it fell on a Monday.
    :facepalm:  Aren't they adorable?
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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #24 on: August 16, 2022, 04:54:16 PM »
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  • Father Dean is definitely old school.  He was a professor at STAS when I was there about 33 years ago now (was recently ordained back then).
    Yeah, it certainly shows (in a good way). And he's pretty great on YEC.
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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #25 on: August 16, 2022, 06:52:07 PM »
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  • Our SSPX priest referred to the day as "traditionally a Holy Day" and gave us Mass on Monday which is not the norm.
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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #26 on: August 16, 2022, 09:14:29 PM »
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  • St. Thomas More in Sanford, FL did not list it in their bulletin as a Holy Day of Obligation

    Yep. I checked all their missions, not a word on it being the Holy day of obligation. "Today's second collection is for the Buiding Fund" was splattered throughout the bulletin.  

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    Re: Is today a Holy Day of Obligation in the Neo-SSPX Calendar?
    « Reply #27 on: August 16, 2022, 11:22:18 PM »
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  • How big and important is the Assumption?  Unless recently changed, even utterly-godless, modern France keeps it as a national holiday.

    Is it a Holy Day?  Absolutely, and one of the most glorious feasts of all.  Any "cleric" who believes otherwise is completely suspect, imo.
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