Author Topic: Is this heresy ? (Read 1689 times)

Charles · « **on:** September 18, 2011, 02:40:41 PM »

"No people deserve to be treated as He treated the Jєωs. It is from the Jєωs that our salvation has come. The Catholic Church still considers them God's chosen people. You have been reading the wrong sources; sources that are diametrically opposed to your Catholic faith."

:scratchchin:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?threadid=599646

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:42:22 PM »

Woah!

:stare:

Not even looking at the thread or anything, this guy, whoever it is, is accusing Our Lord of having committed a fault.

That's not just heresy, that's blasphemy!

Darcy · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:42:53 PM »

ha-ha.

In spite of the Jєωs our salvation has come.

Let me add, there are many Jєωs that post there. Some openly and others incog.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:46:16 PM »

Our Lord is ALL Just!

:really-mad2:

How DARE, whoever that is, they say that?!

Name one thing that Our Lord did that was unjust to the Jєωs! He was the KING of the Jєωs!

:scared2:

I would not want to be this guy.... I really hope he renounces his blasphemy.

:stare:

Wow, this guy needs some serious prayers.

JohnGrey · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:02:03 PM »

God forbids the hatred of any race, most especially that race from which he chose to enter into time and become incarnate. It's important to make the distinction of those that are ethnically Jєωιѕн from those that are religiously Jєωιѕн. With the establishment of the new and everlasting covenant, all those that were of the Catholic faith become part of the chosen people, where the Apostle says "there is neither Gentile nor Jєω, circuмcision nor uncircuмcision, Barbarian nor Scythian, bond nor free. But Christ is all, and in all". тαℓмυdic Judaism bears little resemblance to pre-Christian Judaism; it displays a profound lack of respect for the human life of non-Jєωs and a vitriolic hatred of Christianity second to none. It is a false religion and God despises all false religions.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:07:47 PM »

Quote from: Darcy

Let me add, there are many Jєωs that post there. Some openly and others incog.

Do you think so? I only know of two that are converts. JayneK and sedetrad. Do you think there are others?

Daegus · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:16:38 PM »

It is manifestly heretical and an act of apostasy to say that the Jєωs are still God's people. Only someone of little/no faith could utter such a thing in good conscience.

Darcy · « **Reply #7 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:17:09 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Darcy
Let me add, there are many Jєωs that post there. Some openly and others incog.

Do you think so? I only know of two that are converts. JayneK and sedetrad. Do you think there are others?

At cathinfo there was one openly Jєωιѕн person who was advertising chadlubavitch in their sig interrupting threads with Jєωιѕн apologetics. I thought they had a rule there that non-Catholics could not prosletyze but they let this chosen one.

Then you have the JIDF and other sayanim, of course. They are on all the political right wing and Christian webforums. Maybe participating legitimately but since most Jєωs are democrats, they are likely to be spying. As is their forte.
We've got two coming back from Iran. Hoorah.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #8 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:49:13 PM »

Yeah, not only is that heresy. It's beyond heresy, it's blasphemous. Whoever wrote that is an idiot. But it's really not surprising coming from (un)Catholic Answers.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:00:28 PM »

I am a former Jєω, and I cannot imagine saying such a thing now. I detest Jєωs who maintain their beliefs in Judaism today and they are in need of many prayers for conversion.

Conversion of Jєωs will bring about Christ's Kingdom on earth. Think about all the Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, all the cultural Jєωs in existence today, the domination of Jєωs in Hollywood, banks, government, etc etc........ imagine if all the Jєωs (cultural or actual) converted to the true Faith (---> traditional Catholicism, as I did). What an amazing about-face mankind would take on this little sorrowful planet.

clare · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:47:40 PM »

Quote from: parentsfortruth

Our Lord is ALL Just!

:really-mad2:

How DARE, whoever that is, they say that?!

Name one thing that Our Lord did that was unjust to the Jєωs! He was the KING of the Jєωs!

:scared2:

I would not want to be this guy.... I really hope he renounces his blasphemy.

:stare:

Wow, this guy needs some serious prayers.

Although he uses a capital H, I really don't think he is talking about Our Lord's treatment of the Jєωs.

He's talking about Hitler.

In response to the question, "Wasn't Hitler trying to save mankind from hell?", the CAF poster answered:

Quote

No, he is not a hero. We can't EVER put genocide aside. What in heaven's name are you thinking? Hitler was diabolical. It has been docuмented that once when he was giving one of his tirades, a priest in the audience read the prayers of exorcism for him and he suddenly collapsed and couldn't finish the speech. Hitler saw the Arian race as superior and wanted to crush all others. This is not an example of spreading love to all peoples. No people deserve to be treated as He treated the Jєωs. It is from the Jєωs that our salvation has come. The Catholic Church still considers them God's chosen people. You have been reading the wrong sources; sources that are diametrically opposed to your Catholic faith.

Yes, all that stuff about the chosen people is nonsense, but I am sure he was not saying that no one deserves to be treated as Our Lord treated the Jєωs. That capital H in "He" must surely be a mistake. I mean, look at the context!

JohnGrey · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:50:55 PM »

Quote from: clare

Although he uses a capital H, I really don't think he is talking about Our Lord's treatment of the Jєωs.

He's talking about Hitler.

...

Yes, all that stuff about the chosen people is nonsense, but I am sure he was not saying that no one deserves to be treated as Our Lord treated the Jєωs. That capital H in "He" must surely be a mistake. I mean, look at the context!

Maybe he's a Hunter Thompson fan. :smoke-pot:

TKGS · « **Reply #12 on:** September 18, 2011, 06:24:58 PM »

Quote from: Charles

"No people deserve to be treated as He treated the Jєωs. It is from the Jєωs that our salvation has come. The Catholic Church still considers them God's chosen people. You have been reading the wrong sources; sources that are diametrically opposed to your Catholic faith."

:scratchchin:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?threadid=599646

Full Quote:

Quote from: Fr. Vincent Serpa

Re: Was Hitler trying to save mankind from hell?

My friend,

No, he is not a hero. We can't EVER put genocide aside. What in heaven's name are you thinking? Hitler was diabolical. It has been docuмented that once when he was giving one of his tirades, a priest in the audience read the prayers of exorcism for him and he suddenly collapsed and couldn't finish the speech. Hitler saw the Arian race as superior and wanted to crush all others. This is not an example of spreading love to all peoples. No people deserve to be treated as He treated the Jєωs. It is from the Jєωs that our salvation has come. The Catholic Church still considers them God's chosen people. You have been reading the wrong sources; sources that are diametrically opposed to your Catholic faith.

Why would you start this topic by deleting the context of the quote? The priest is correct is part, he is wrong in part. But one should never take quotations out of context in this way. Clearly, given the replies, people trusted you. Indeed, I also thought we were talking blasphemy against Christ given the capitalized 'He'. What, precisely were you asking?

Charles · « **Reply #13 on:** September 18, 2011, 06:44:33 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: Charles

"No people deserve to be treated as He treated the Jєωs. It is from the Jєωs that our salvation has come. The Catholic Church still considers them God's chosen people. You have been reading the wrong sources; sources that are diametrically opposed to your Catholic faith."

:scratchchin:
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?threadid=599646

Full Quote:
Quote from: Fr. Vincent Serpa
Re: Was Hitler trying to save mankind from hell?

My friend,

No, he is not a hero. We can't EVER put genocide aside. What in heaven's name are you thinking? Hitler was diabolical. It has been docuмented that once when he was giving one of his tirades, a priest in the audience read the prayers of exorcism for him and he suddenly collapsed and couldn't finish the speech. Hitler saw the Arian race as superior and wanted to crush all others. This is not an example of spreading love to all peoples. No people deserve to be treated as He treated the Jєωs. It is from the Jєωs that our salvation has come. The Catholic Church still considers them God's chosen people. You have been reading the wrong sources; sources that are diametrically opposed to your Catholic faith.

Why would you start this topic by deleting the context of the quote? The priest is correct is part, he is wrong in part. But one should never take quotations out of context in this way. Clearly, given the replies, people trusted you. Indeed, I also thought we were talking blasphemy against Christ given the capitalized 'He'. What, precisely were you asking?

I didn't realize I was taking anything out of context. Lazy copy/paste if anything.

I was asking if the statement was heresy.

parentsfortruth · « **Reply #14 on:** September 18, 2011, 06:48:50 PM »

Woah, so he was talking about Hitler and capitalized He?

.....

Faux pas for sure.