Author Topic: is there anything I should know about the CMRI and SSPV (Read 9759 times)

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #10 on:** August 22, 2013, 02:05:52 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Yes, that's what SSPV means by "schismatic" bishops; they're not referring to the Thuc line per se, but rather to the CMRI or anyone who has been "contaminated" by the CMRI. They kindof view "schism" as a contagious disease, so that if you have any communicatio in sacris with schismatics such as the Old Catholics, then you become schismatic yourself unless you formally abjure the schism. Now, I don't even think it would be enough for the CMRI to abjure Old Catholicism in general; SSPV would have them basically abolish the CMRI, break any ties or contagion lineage with them, and possibly form a new group.

That's sounds more like what Bp. Sanborn has said regarding the CMRI, both publicly and privately.

The SSPV neither have the authority nor the competence to exclude Catholics from Holy Communion merely because they receive the Sacraments from "Thucite Bishops." Their arguments against Archbp. Thuc have been roundly refuted and yet they still continue to condemn clergy such as the CMRI from the pulpit. There is no precedent in ecclesiastical history for such an aberrant and scandalous practice, and it only serves to exacerbate the SSPV's own problematic situation all the more.

Sigismund · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2013, 05:09:06 PM »

Quote from: Hobbledehoy

Quote from: Director
I understood that the CMRI Priests were conditionally Ordained?

Yes, this is true: those who were ordained by Schuckhardt submitted to conditional Ordination after he was out of the picture, and those who were yet to be ordained at that time had recourse to traditionalist Bishops for Sacred Orders. The objection raised on the part of SSPV and other adversaries of the CMRI regarding Schuckhardt is therefore moot, but that has not stopped them from bringing this up time and time again.

Yes, and this corrected the problem from any reasonable perspective.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #12 on:** August 24, 2013, 09:18:23 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: Hobbledehoy
Quote from: Director
I understood that the CMRI Priests were conditionally Ordained?

Yes, this is true: those who were ordained by Schuckhardt submitted to conditional Ordination after he was out of the picture, and those who were yet to be ordained at that time had recourse to traditionalist Bishops for Sacred Orders. The objection raised on the part of SSPV and other adversaries of the CMRI regarding Schuckhardt is therefore moot, but that has not stopped them from bringing this up time and time again.

Yes, and this corrected the problem from any reasonable perspective.

I was unaware of the conditional reords.

I always worried in the back of my mind about ordinations by Schuckhardt and what it meant for CMRI, it does indeed sound like it is moot.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #13 on:** August 24, 2013, 02:52:26 PM »

It took exceeding great integrity, courage, self-detachment and zeal for the glory of God and the salvation of souls for the CMRI Fathers to have undergone the humiliation of seeking conditional Ordination after Schuckhardt's expulsion from Mt. St. Michael's.

In this one may behold the fruits of true devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary as taught in the spiritual doctrine of St. Louis-Marie.

The CMRI Fathers knew that this was the only way to allay the scruples that would understandably assail the consciences of the faithful and to silence the waylayers who would seek to defame them in times to come. Unfortunately, however, the adversaries of the CMRI still discuss Schuckhardt as if he had any relevance when it comes to the validity of these Priests' sacred Orders.

Iuvenalis · « **Reply #14 on:** August 24, 2013, 11:24:13 PM »

Hobbledehoy,

What of questioning the CMRI's *charism* because of the founder/Schuckhardt? (As opposed to the validity of Holy Orders, which very well seems settled)