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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: drphil on April 11, 2025, 01:11:03 PM
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I need the sacrament of confession sorely but I am still going through the process of figuring out and exploring the R&R and Sede positions. I have no near access for Trad sacraments due to very strained finances (i'm a college student) and no trad parishes are near for my old car to get to reliably on a regular basis. Honestly all this digging has really stressed me out in addition to the stresses of college. I don't want to die in an accident for example carrying sin i could have easily aboslved in the confessional but i'm very worried about the validity of NO confessions of my past and possible future.
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I need the sacrament of confession sorely but I am still going through the process of figuring out and exploring the R&R and Sede positions. I have no near access for Trad sacraments due to very strained finances (i'm a college student) and no trad parishes are near for my old car to get to reliably on a regular basis. Honestly all this digging has really stressed me out in addition to the stresses of college. I don't want to die in an accident for example carrying sin i could have easily aboslved in the confessional but i'm very worried about the validity of NO confessions of my past and possible future.
In danger of death I would confess to a NO priest. Aside from that, no. Have you looked into an Eastern Catholic church in your area?
These are all in Indiana, but I don't know if they are close to you:
https://stmichaelbyz.org/ (https://stmichaelbyz.org/)
https://saindy.com/
(https://saindy.com/)https://stmarywhiting.org/ (https://stmarywhiting.org/)
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You might want to see if there is an old NO priest anywhere around you, it's likely that he'd have to be around 80 years old to have been ordained the old way, although some NO priests were still ordained the old way into the early 70s. You might be looking for a needle in a haystack, but that's the way it is these days. Perhaps if you gave your city and state someone here might be better able to help you.
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Provided they don't mess with the form, a valid priest using the NO Confession form would confer valid absolution. You only need "I absolve you from your sins" ... and even (if I recall) the in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost are optional ... though if they adulterated that into "in the name of the Creator, Redeemer, and Sactifier), that might invalid it.
So this Sacrament as do a number of others, rests upon whether the priests has been validly ordained.
Most SVs hold that the new Rite of Episcopal consecration is almost certainly invalid, but at the very least 100% meets the threshhold of positive doubt. Then any priests ordained by bishops consecrated in that New Rite would be doubtful also. If there WERE some priests ordained in the new rite by a bishop consecrated in the old (an incredibly rare scenario these days), many SVs hold that even the rite of ordination to the priesthood is also doubtful (I agree with this).
That's a tendency only, however, since one could in theory be an R&R and hold the same position (as quite a few do), or there's an occasional SV who would hold that the New Rites of Holy Orders are valid. So there are tendencies, but R&R vs. SV are positions that are technically formally distinct from the question of the validity of Holy Orders. Where there might be some overlap is that if you believe in the Disciplinary Infallibility of the Church, a legitimate Pope would be prevented by the Holy Ghost from isssuing an invalid Rite of Ordination. So that's where there might be some interplay. But then many/most R&R rejection the notion of Disciplinary Infallibility and draw their conclusions that way, thinking that he's a legit pope but promulgated doubtful Sacraments. For SVs, that's an impossibility.
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Specifically, though, absent access to a Traditional priest (though even then some are not conditionally ordained, mostly in SSPX circles), you can still find SOME priests who were ordained in the Traditional Rite. I put together a list of about two dozen still alive, many still active in the Cleveland Diocese about 3-4 years ago, during the COVID lockdown when SSPX folded like an accordion. I'm guessing that's down to about 10-15 now ... since they're rapidly disappearing. Even if they're retired you may be able to find them and go for a visit. Then, of course, there are the Eastern Rite options if there are any near you.
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If this is a true Sacramental emergency, I suggest you contact various traditional organizations even if not close to your area. Many of these regularly send out priests to widely scattered faithful. Perhaps a stop enroute could be made to accommodate you. Maybe you can arrange to meet the priest halfway along his Mass circuit.
Pray to Our Lady and to any Saint who traveled to reach those afar. St. Francis Xavier comes immediately to my mind, but there are many, many others!
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www.Traditio.org
Mass sites and phone numbers of chapels.
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I have no near access for Trad sacraments due to very strained finances (i'm a college student)
The nearest place that gives you valid sacraments is close.
no trad parishes are near for my old car to get to reliably on a regular basis.
:facepalm: Just drive your car. It will get you there fine.
Honestly all this digging has really stressed me out in addition to the stresses of college.
You should be more worried about the state of your soul than about college. And trying to pretend you can't drive to a chapel somewhere for the sacraments is utterly pathetic. College students have been driving literally across the country since literally as long as cars have existed. My dad drove a pickup truck from Illinois to California in the sixties, a vehicle much less reliable than what you have, obviously.
I don't want to die in an accident for example carrying sin i could have easily aboslved in the confessional but i'm very worried about the validity of NO confessions of my past and possible future.
Well, yeah, you need to avoid Novus Ordo sacraments and get to real sacraments, but in this country we are blessed to have access to those very easily. All you have to do is drive to a traditional Catholic chapel.
You should be grateful to live in a country where traditional Catholic chapels are so easily available, and instead of whining and making such pathetic excuses about your vehicle not being able to go a few hundred miles :facepalm: you should just drive to the nearest chapel and make your confession.
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I need the sacrament of confession sorely but I am still going through the process of figuring out and exploring the R&R and Sede positions. I have no near access for Trad sacraments due to very strained finances (i'm a college student) and no trad parishes are near for my old car to get to reliably on a regular basis. Honestly all this digging has really stressed me out in addition to the stresses of college. I don't want to die in an accident for example carrying sin i could have easily aboslved in the confessional but i'm very worried about the validity of NO confessions of my past and possible future.
What college do you go to? There has to be something within a reasonable driving distance.
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In danger of death I would confess to a NO priest. Aside from that, no. Have you looked into an Eastern Catholic church in your area?
These are all in Indiana, but I don't know if they are close to you:
https://stmichaelbyz.org/ (https://stmichaelbyz.org/)
https://saindy.com/
(https://saindy.com/)https://stmarywhiting.org/ (https://stmarywhiting.org/)
Greatly appreciate these thank you. the one in Indy i could make when possible.
The nearest place that gives you valid sacraments is close.
:facepalm: Just drive your car. It will get you there fine.
You should be more worried about the state of your soul than about college. And trying to pretend you can't drive to a chapel somewhere for the sacraments is utterly pathetic. College students have been driving literally across the country since literally as long as cars have existed. My dad drove a pickup truck from Illinois to California in the sixties, a vehicle much less reliable than what you have, obviously.
Well, yeah, you need to avoid Novus Ordo sacraments and get to real sacraments, but in this country we are blessed to have access to those very easily. All you have to do is drive to a traditional Catholic chapel.
You should be grateful to live in a country where traditional Catholic chapels are so easily available, and instead of whining and making such pathetic excuses about your vehicle not being able to go a few hundred miles :facepalm: you should just drive to the nearest chapel and make your confession.
No, your right I need to get a grip. Losing my head about it will help nothing. I need to man up and give Rev. Fr. Bernard Bevan of the SSPX a call, save up for the extra gas and a suit and start going out there whenever possible.
What college do you go to? There has to be something within a reasonable driving distance.
No you are right. I lost my cool a bit lately. I could def make a trip out to the SSPX well within possibility. Having a bit of an internal crisis as I learn more information in regards to this crisis I, unknowingly at the time of my baptism, have come to learn more and more of.
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Provided they don't mess with the form, a valid priest using the NO Confession form would confer valid absolution. You only need "I absolve you from your sins" ... and even (if I recall) the in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost are optional ... though if they adulterated that into "in the name of the Creator, Redeemer, and Sactifier), that might invalid it.
So this Sacrament as do a number of others, rests upon whether the priests has been validly ordained.
Most SVs hold that the new Rite of Episcopal consecration is almost certainly invalid, but at the very least 100% meets the threshhold of positive doubt. Then any priests ordained by bishops consecrated in that New Rite would be doubtful also. If there WERE some priests ordained in the new rite by a bishop consecrated in the old (an incredibly rare scenario these days), many SVs hold that even the rite of ordination to the priesthood is also doubtful (I agree with this).
That's a tendency only, however, since one could in theory be an R&R and hold the same position (as quite a few do), or there's an occasional SV who would hold that the New Rites of Holy Orders are valid. So there are tendencies, but R&R vs. SV are positions that are technically formally distinct from the question of the validity of Holy Orders. Where there might be some overlap is that if you believe in the Disciplinary Infallibility of the Church, a legitimate Pope would be prevented by the Holy Ghost from isssuing an invalid Rite of Ordination. So that's where there might be some interplay. But then many/most R&R rejection the notion of Disciplinary Infallibility and draw their conclusions that way, thinking that he's a legit pope but promulgated doubtful Sacraments. For SVs, that's an impossibility.
Is it even possible for a valid Pope to issue or promulgate an invalid form of Mass or Sacramental Rite? If Paul VI was a valid Pope, I feel like that would necessarily make the New Mass valid…
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Is it even possible for a valid Pope to issue or promulgate an invalid form of Mass or Sacramental Rite? If Paul VI was a valid Pope, I feel like that would necessarily make the New Mass valid…
On the face of it, Pope St Pius V pretty much slammed the door shut on changes in the Mass, at least in the Roman Rite.
Even Pius XII's changes are troubling.
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On the face of it, Pope St Pius V pretty much slammed the door shut on changes in the Mass, at least in the Roman Rite.
Even Pius XII's changes are troubling.
So a future Pope couldn’t even genuinely change the Rite of Mass, even if it was still a good, holy Catholic Mass? Did Pius V bind all future Popes?
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If you are fortunate enough to find a Novus Ordo priest who was ordained pre 1968. Make sure he says "I absolve you" or I forgive you." If he says "May God forgive you" I would say that is questionable because he is employing the subjunctive.
I knew the former auxiliary bishop of Louisville, Bishop Maloney, he was consecrated by Pius XII in 1958. I would go to him for confession across the street from my house. A Pius XII bishop, but he died. There is a priest across the street who was ordained a Dominican in 1964. I go to him for confession. I would not trust any of the other NO sacraments.
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I need the sacrament of confession sorely but I am still going through the process of figuring out and exploring the R&R and Sede positions. I have no near access for Trad sacraments due to very strained finances (i'm a college student) and no trad parishes are near for my old car to get to reliably on a regular basis. Honestly all this digging has really stressed me out in addition to the stresses of college. I don't want to die in an accident for example carrying sin i could have easily aboslved in the confessional but i'm very worried about the validity of NO confessions of my past and possible future.
Get a ride to confession from a friend or relative. Or pay someone to drive you there. Take a bus maybe.