Author Topic: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all? (Read 30189 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #65 on:** September 02, 2019, 11:11:51 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 02, 2019, 11:06:59 AM

Both sides would benefit from a bit of humility.

Is the fact that the Pope who is supposed to be guided by the Holy Spirit did more damage to the Church than any heresiarch a problem? +Lefebvre, the hero of all R&R, admitted that it was.

Is the fact that a vacancy would go on for 60 years a problem? Of course it's a problem.

If both sides admitted that no solution is perfect, then a lot more progress can be made in the spread of Tradition.

Dear Mr. Humble,
The pope in fact IS guided by the Holy Ghost when he defines a doctrine ex cathedra. Try to always remember that amongst your "universal discipline" and your "magisterium that went off the rails".

Ladislaus · « **Reply #66 on:** September 02, 2019, 11:15:15 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on September 02, 2019, 11:11:51 AM

Dear Mr. Humble,
The pope in fact IS guided by the Holy Ghost when he defines a doctrine ex cathedra. Try to always remember that amongst your "universal discipline" and your "magisterium that went off the rails".

I just laid this out, idiot. You rely on the fact that not everything the Pope teaches or institutes is infallible ... and stretch this to the limits of credibility ... and beyond.

Unlike yourself, +Lefebvre had the humility to admit that this is a problem with R&R, and this constantly had him questioning the legitimacy of the V2 papal claimants:

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…a grave problem confronts the conscience and the faith of all Catholics since the beginning of Paul VI’s pontificate: how can a pope who is truly successor of Peter, to whom the assistance of the Holy Ghost has been promised, preside over the most radical and far-reaching destruction of the Church ever known, in so short a time, beyond what any heresiarch has ever achieved? This question must one day be answered…

You could learn a little bit from +Lefebvre.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #67 on:** September 02, 2019, 11:16:11 AM »

You know, the biggest problem with the Traditional movement comes from the dogmatic idiots on both sides. Much has been made of dogmatic sedevacantism, but dogmatic R&R, as preached by Praeter and Stubborn, is every bit as pernicious.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #68 on:** September 02, 2019, 11:18:12 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on September 02, 2019, 11:11:51 AM

Dear Mr. Humble,
The pope in fact IS guided by the Holy Ghost when he defines a doctrine ex cathedra. Try to always remember that amongst your "universal discipline" and your "magisterium that went off the rails".

While slightly off color, this meme could hardly be more appropriate than in response to this post ...

Stubborn · « **Reply #69 on:** September 02, 2019, 11:21:21 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on September 02, 2019, 11:11:30 AM

Of course, objectively, the Divine Truth is the Ring. Question is not whether the ring exists, but who's in possession of it. You have many Catholics on the Novus Ordo side who claims that the teaching of Vatican II is not inconsistent with said Divine Truth. In your philosophy, you, Stubborn, have the authority to sift through what is taught by the Magisterium and decide what is and what is not in conformity with said truth (your ridiculous redefinition of Magsiterium notwithstanding).

The Church is always in possession of it, we access that truth through the Church, these days through one or more of the Church's faithful priests who are concerned only with the truth, not whether they guess right or not.

There is no need debating the definition of Magisterium. I embrace Pope Pius IX's definition of what the Church's Magisterium is. You call that a ridiculous redefinition.

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