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Author Topic: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?  (Read 30180 times)

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Offline Matthew

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2019, 05:54:17 PM »
Arguing within Tradition, including on this thread (jump to 1:43):


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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2019, 06:41:43 PM »

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One of the primary reasons Catholics are unable to reconcile the crisis in the Church with Catholic doctrine, is because they have embraced an excessive idea of infallibility 
Agree totally.  



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That’s because the sedevacantists have an entirely false notion of infallibility.  They are the Old Catholics 2.0.  They adhere to a false notion of papal infallibility that cannot be reconciled with the crisis in the Church.  The Old Catholics false understanding of papal infallibility caused them to reject the dogma, and the sedevacantists false understanding of papal infallibility causes them to reject the recent popes.  The result is that the Old Catholics say the Church defected at Vatican I, and the sedevacantists say it defected at Vatican II.  Same heresy, different date.
I don’t know much about Old Catholics, but I do agree that an excessive understanding of papal infallibility leads many (but not all) sedes into their excessive conclusions.  Their logic makes sense, but they start from a faulty premise.  
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Offline Clemens Maria

Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2019, 07:04:45 PM »
Praetor, what’s the time limit for the sede vacante period?  Can you cite a Catholic source for it?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2019, 07:53:44 PM »
Quote from: Clemens Maria on September 01, 2019, 07:04:45 PM
Praetor, what’s the time limit for the sede vacante period?  Can you cite a Catholic source for it?

Well, my personal opinion is that it cannot go on for more than 14 years 6 months 35 days 2 hours 15 minutes and 23.5 seconds.  But some theologians hold that it's 15 minutes and 47.8 seconds.

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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2019, 08:03:37 PM »
Nevertheless, 57 years and counting is problematic.
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