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Author Topic: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?  (Read 30937 times)

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2019, 11:04:29 AM »
The Unifying factor of Tradition is the Faith.  It is the True Mass.  It is Orthodoxy, the Rosary and penance.  
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Oh, so the world of Tradition must be united then! Nevermind, I thought we had a unity problem in the Traditional movement.
Because I could list several groups that

A) have the Catholic Faith
B) say/attend only the Tridentine Mass
C) Are certainly orthodox in beliefs (same as A)
D) say the Rosary as well as other pre-V2 practices for good measure
E) practice penance, go to confession frequently (whichever you meant)

If that is the source of Unity, then apparently the FSSP, SSPX, Resistance, all independent chapels, Sedevacantists, (and maybe even Fr. Pfeiffer) are all COMPLETELY united.

Could have fooled me!

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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2019, 11:10:48 AM »
To continue my analogy:

The Catholic Church used to live in peace and unity, under the rule of the Pope, who had the One Ring of St. Peter, forged by Jesus Christ almost 2000 years ago.

But at the end of the last age (which ended in 1970), a great Council was called and many wicked men conspired to take over that Council. They mastered the will of the Council, which decided to throw the One Ring into the molten lava of the nearest volcano and destroy it. This was done. So the One Ring was thus destroyed, and ever since then chaos has reigned.

(Another limping point: the One Ring being destroyed would normally undo not only the creator of the Ring, but all the lesser rings. So the analogy breaks with LOTR there)

Some, like Pope Michael and others, have attempted to forge a new Master ring, but they don't have any power (authority) to pour into it. So although their rings were shiny and even looked like the original Ring of St. Peter in many ways, they didn't do squat. The chaos continued.


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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2019, 11:15:07 AM »

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If that is the source of Unity, then apparently the FSSP, SSPX, Resistance, all independent chapels, Sedevacantists, (and maybe even Fr. Pfeiffer) are all COMPLETELY united.
??  The FSSP and the new-SSPX aren't Trads - they don't believe the one ring (V2, new mass, modernism) should be destroyed.  

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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2019, 11:18:17 AM »
??  The FSSP and the new-SSPX aren't Trads - they don't believe the one ring (V2, new mass, modernism) should be destroyed.  

Getting off topic a bit. Normally I do say that the FSSP is technically not Trad, because they deny the basic tenet of the Traditional Movement that we don't need anyone's permission to attend the Tridentine Mass or to stay Catholic. And I've also said that the SSPX is becoming the FSSP. But on the other hand, they are "pseudo-Trad" at least, and many people of good will use these groups for a source of the Sacraments.

So while you're not wrong, I didn't want to argue about the different Trad groups here. I purposely passed over it. My point in this thread is WHAT IT WOULD TAKE to END THE ARGUING :)
Arguing specifics about this or that Trad group is far below the cruising altitude of this thread.

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2019, 11:22:48 AM »
You’re the one that brought up the groups, not me