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Author Topic: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?  (Read 30246 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #125 on: June 03, 2021, 03:04:21 PM »
I have no idea what +Williamson’s views are.  Being that he’s a little slippery on the new mass, he may also be slippery on the new ordinations.  In my view, the resistance is so scared of being labeled sedevacant, that their knee-jerk reaction is to disagree with many of the sede theological lines-in-the-sand (even those which have nothing to do with the papacy).  I hope I’m wrong but I don’t know. 
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #126 on: June 03, 2021, 09:14:57 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 03, 2021, 03:04:21 PM
I have no idea what +Williamson’s views are.  Being that he’s a little slippery on the new mass, he may also be slippery on the new ordinations.  In my view, the resistance is so scared of being labeled sedevacant, that their knee-jerk reaction is to disagree with many of the sede theological lines-in-the-sand (even those which have nothing to do with the papacy).  I hope I’m wrong but I don’t know.
I know we've talked about this before, but I think this is more related than you think.

Like I get that there are some complex material/formal distinctions, but honestly, if he's not a bishop he can't be the Pope.

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #127 on: June 03, 2021, 09:40:29 PM »
Even if he’s not a bishop, he could be a valid pope-elect (theoretically).  Any unmarried, catholic male over a certain age, can be validly elected pope.  You don’t have to be a cleric at all. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #128 on: June 04, 2021, 05:52:08 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 03, 2021, 09:40:29 PM
Even if he’s not a bishop, he could be a valid pope-elect (theoretically).  Any unmarried, catholic male over a certain age, can be validly elected pope.  You don’t have to be a cleric at all.

He could be a valid pope-elect, and presumably could do things like make appointments, but he has no teaching authority, since only bishops are part of the Ecclesia Docens.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all?
« Reply #129 on: June 04, 2021, 09:20:34 AM »
Quote from: Yeti on June 03, 2021, 02:38:56 PM
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Quick question. Does the Resistance have an official position -- either explicitly stated or at least existing de facto -- on the new rites of ordination and consecration? Do they require that any priest who works for them be ordained in the old rite, and come from an unbroken line of bishops ordained and consecrate in the old rite?
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And do they tell the faithful to only receive the sacraments from such priests?
No:
Because there is no institutionally monolithic Resistance, there is no official Resistance position on anything.
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