Author Topic: Is there a One Ring in Tradition, to rule them all? (Read 29979 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2019, 06:18:24 AM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 31, 2019, 03:45:01 PM

R&R is that ring.

False. You're missing Matthew's point. All you're saying is that you think the R&R position is right. Matthew is talking about whether anyone has such a slam-dunk position that all people of good will would rally around it. Lots of good Catholics think that R&R is completely misguided (those in the Novus Ordo and sedevacantists). And, then, even among R&R you have division: SSPX vs. Resistance. So if even R&R is divided, where the Ring ... as Matthew described it? You clearly didn't understand Matthew's post.

You make this post, and all someone has to do to respond is to post --

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Sedeprivationism is that ring.

to negate what you said.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2019, 06:19:21 AM »

Quote from: forlorn on September 01, 2019, 05:24:57 AM

SSPX or Resistance?

This response to SeanJohnson is all that's needed to negate what he wrote. Even R&R is divided, so how can R&R be the Ring?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2019, 06:21:49 AM »

Quote from: Hodie on September 01, 2019, 06:11:03 AM

After Almighty God Himself, Archbishop Lefebvre holds "the ring." Every single traditional group who deviated from his guidance or never followed it in the first place, has compromised in some way with Vatican II/modernism. Sad.

How have the sedevacantists compromised with Vatican II? Again, if +Lefebvre had the Ring ... as Matthew explained it ... then there would not exist any Catholics of good will who did not follow him ... no Novus Ordo, no FFSP or motarians, no sedevacantists or sedeprivationists. You missed Matthew's point also. Some Catholics of good will think that they SHOULD "compromise with Vatican II".

Ladislaus · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2019, 06:27:31 AM »

Quote from: Praeter on August 31, 2019, 03:33:54 PM

Maybe I'm in the minority, but there's nothing about the crisis in the Church that perplexes me, and no unanswerable questions - i.e., apparent contradictions between Catholic doctrine and what is taking place - that disturb me. Perhaps there are unanswerable questions that I just haven't thought of, and which would perplex me if I did?

I'm curious if most people here are struggling with such difficulties, and if so, what they are?

Seriously? There's the core question of which is worse, a 60-year vacancy of the Holy See or a Magisterium and Universal Discipline of the Church that has gone completely off the rails and has been leading souls to hell for 60 years. That's the chief fight between R&R and the sedevacantists. R&R think the former is a worse problem for the Church's indefectibility, while the SVs think that the latter is the worse problem. But both are absolutely a problem, and it takes a lot of arrogance to think that you're above it all.

It's a grave problem, as +Lefebvre puts it (he himself was perplexed):

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…a grave problem confronts the conscience and the faith of all Catholics since the beginning of Paul VI’s pontificate: how can a pope who is truly successor of Peter, to whom the assistance of the Holy Ghost has been promised, preside over the most radical and far-reaching destruction of the Church ever known, in so short a time, beyond what any heresiarch has ever achieved? This question must one day be answered…

But I guess that you've succeeded in solving this problem where +Lefebvre failed.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2019, 06:30:45 AM »

I sincerely believe that the following happend --

Masons/Communists/Modernists had been infiltrating the hierarchy for decades and even centuries prior to Vatican II. In the 1958 Conclave, Cardinal Siri was elected, but the Communists/Masons forced him to step down. Then they installed their agent Roncalli in his place, the "uncanonically elected" pope described by a prophesy of St. Francis. Once the smoking gun proof for this comes to light, then we'll have our ring.

Then the Church will need to revisit the ecclesiological debates between R&R and the sedevacantists and settle those disputes as a matter of principle.

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