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Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #110 on: May 19, 2022, 10:25:45 AM »
St Jerome

Letter 55

''And in another place: the wife is bound by the law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. 1 Corinthians 7:39 The apostle has thus cut away every plea and has clearly declared that, if a woman marries again while her husband is living, she is an adulteress.

You must not speak to me of the violence of a ravisher, a mother's pleading, a father's bidding, the influence of relatives, the insolence and the intrigues of servants, household losses. A husband may be an adulterer or a sodomite, he may be stained with every crime and may have been left by his wife because of his sins; yet he is still her husband and, so long as he lives, she may not marry another. The apostle does not promulgate this decree on his own authority but on that of Christ who speaks in him. ''

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001055.htm
1 Corinthians 7:15
[15] But if the unbeliever depart, let him depart. For a brother or sister is not under servitude in such cases. But God hath called us in peace.

Matthew 5:31-32
[31] And it hath been said, whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a bill of divorce. [32] But I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, excepting for the cause of fornication, maketh her to commit adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery. 

Matthew 19:9
[9] And I say to you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and he that shall marry her that is put away, committeth adultery.

The following is often brought up as evidence that annulments are not allowed:
Matthew 19:6
[6]
 Therefore now they are not two, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let no man put asunder. 

We must remember that the Pope is not a man, but the Vicar of Christ on Earth:
Matthew 18:8
[18] Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

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Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #111 on: May 19, 2022, 10:43:36 AM »
Epiphany, do you even know what an annulment is?  It's a decision that THERE WAS NEVER A MARRIAGE AT ALL.  All of your Scripture quotes have to do with divorce, which presumes there was a marriage.  An annulment is not the same thing as a divorce.

It is heresy to suggest that a pope can "loose" a marriage.  No one can, because it is a vow made between the spouses and God.  The Church can only investigate/decide that a marriage was null/void and never happened to begin with.  The Church, in deciding an annulment, is not "loosing" anything because it was never "bound" to begin with.

The Scripture quotes you posted can be applied to Catholics and "civil divorce/separation" but that means that a marriage actually took place.  And catholic doctrine does not allow re-marriage.  No exceptions.  Catholics aren't even allowed to civilly divorce/separate except for extreme circuмstances, and with permission from the clergy (in preV2 times).  But they aren't free to re-marry; they are just free from the bad situation and must live as a single person until (or if) the civil divorce/separation can be mended.

(In the case of death of a spouse, since a widow/widower is no longer married, then it's actually an error/confusion to use the term "re-married".  If they get married again, it's a brand new marriage, with brand new vows).  It is protestant heresy to say that catholics can get re-married because a former spouse committed adultery.


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Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #112 on: May 19, 2022, 10:49:34 AM »
I think this might be of help to you Epiphany:

Annulment vs. Divorce

A divorce is the dissolving of a lawful civil marriage by the state. The granting of a divorce, in and of itself, is an acknowledgment that there was a marriage in the first place from which a divorce could be granted.

An annulment, however, is not the dissolving of a marriage at all, rather it is a ruling from the Church that there was never a marriage in the first place, i.e., some impediment(s) prevented the marriage from ever taking place – it never happened. The putative married couples were simply cohabitating the whole while and the annulled couples are free to marry “for the first time” if they so choose.


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It is heresy to suggest that a pope can "loose" a marriage.  No one can, because it is a vow made between the spouses and God.  The Church can only investigate/decide that a marriage was null/void and never happened to begin with.  The Church, in deciding an annulment, is not "loosing" anything because it was never "bound" to begin with.
A good historical example to study is Henry VIII.

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Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #113 on: May 19, 2022, 11:29:47 AM »
Downthumbing isn't going to change the truth. Maybe come back when you grow up.

Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #114 on: May 19, 2022, 11:54:03 AM »

It is heresy to suggest that a pope can "loose" a marriage.  No one can, because it is a vow made between the spouses and God.  The Church can only investigate/decide that a marriage was null/void and never happened to begin with.  The Church, in deciding an annulment, is not "loosing" anything because it was never "bound" to begin with.
Not heresy.  In fact, truth.
https://www.catholicbible101.com/annulments.htm

I don't have time or energy to look up more sites for you.  Sorry.