Author Topic: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment? (Read 25203 times)

josefamenendez · « **Reply #60 on:** May 15, 2022, 02:40:14 PM »

Quote from: Nadir on May 15, 2022, 06:15:44 AM

Matthew commented, answering in the negative, to which Epiphany responded after comments by others, with
I responded withNow I am no theologian but if sins committed (in this case a serious lie) before marriage could invalidate the marriage, then who could possibly be validly married?

Your question, Josefa, is referring to dishonesty at the very moment of the vow making, which I can’t answer. That is for a qualified person to decide.

Did you mean Pauline principle or Pauline privilege? I don’t know what the former is.

Oops- Pauline privilege is what I meant!
No ,I don't mean "just" a serious sin but a sin that would show that the person is not totally in full understanding or is deceptive or insincere about their intentions regarding marriage at the time of the nuptials. Cheating with another other than the spouse at the time of the ceremony is a pretty good example of that.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #61 on:** May 15, 2022, 02:40:30 PM »

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If even half of the reasons you and Epiphany have given for invalidating marriage were Catholic, the Church would have been handing out tens of thousands of marriage annulments every year for the last 2,000 years, which obviously it hasn't. How do you explain this?

Great point, Yeti. They have no explanation for this because they haven't thought through the errors of their logic. They are just repeating what they've heard from liberal clerics or their liberal friends.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #62 on:** May 15, 2022, 02:42:04 PM »

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Catholic marries Buddhist in the gondola of a hot air balloon over the Napa Valley with the Dalai Lama officiating

I hope I get an invite to that reception. Sounds like the party would be amazing.

epiphany · « **Reply #63 on:** May 15, 2022, 02:50:16 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 15, 2022, 02:35:20 PM

Matrimony, just like all other sacraments, have rules in canon law. Your above "definition" is WAY too vague and would never be accurate, because canon law requires precise definitions and meaning. There's nothing at all in the orthodox/traditional 1917 code which supports your claim.

A "serious lie"? Define "serious" and define "lie"...from canon law, please.

I can imagine a couple 7 years into their marriage, with 2-3 children, who hate each other. The husband complains that he doesn't like what's for dinner and wife says "Oh, but this is my mother's meatloaf recipe and when we were dating, you said you LOVED it. This is a "serious lie" and i'm getting an annulment." Don't think stuff like this hasn't happened. When V2 opened the door to "catholic divorce" by allowing annulments for "serious lies" then the horse is out of the barn, and chaos is the order of the deal.

You missed the other half of my comment:
"Any serious lie before marriage invalidates the traditional Catholic vow. Whether or not the reason qualifies as "serious" should be discussed with a good traditional priest."

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #64 on:** May 15, 2022, 03:06:20 PM »

Epiphany, you need to study/post excerpts from canon law for this. If you can't/don't want to, then you should stop giving uneducated advice. "Oh, this is what I heard" or "Some priest said this" is not a good way to spread Truth. In fact, you could have misheard or misunderstood what they said. What you are saying is objectively wrong, for pre-V2 catholicism.

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