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Author Topic: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?  (Read 25568 times)

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Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2022, 10:37:59 AM »
I understand the legitimate reasons for a true annulment. I just wanted to know if the annulments post- Vll are valid-(.if they changed the process besides becoming extremely liberal?). As many of us don't accept Vll sacraments as being licit or even valid for reasons of ordination and change in rite, how can anyone go to Rome for an annulment?
In other words, even if for a legitimate cause, a traditional Catholic cannot get an annulment. Seems this is the case.
Yes, they are, because only Rome can grant them.  

A traditional Catholic CAN get an annulment.

Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2022, 10:44:05 AM »

Aside from this, no.

Being incompatible in temperament or being unfaithful during marriage or not intending to have children or claiming one did not intend to get married does not invalidate a marriage.
You are wrong.

Being unfaithful in marriage is grounds, if the party was unfaithful before marriage and knew he/she would be unfaithful after.  

Same goes for abuse.  If a person had a bad temper and abused other women before marriage and didn't tell either the new wife or the priest before marriage, invalidates the marriage.

Not telling the spouse, before marriage, that they didn't want or couldn't have children is another valid reason.

Basicably, any serious lie before marriage invalidates the vow.

OP, talk to any good traditional priest.  Not sspx, not Pfeiffer, not Webster or any in his line, etc.  A good priest.


Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2022, 10:47:55 AM »
As I said, the Church holds itself out as being able to pass judgment upon the validity of any marriage.

Even if you got a diocesan tribunal who regarded you as being schismatic, unless they just wanted to spite you for being a traditionalist --- "oh, so you really want this annulment, coming hat in hand to us, are you?" --- ideally, it should just be a matter of saying "here's the putative marriage, let's evaluate it".

The way I heard it, hypothetically (though this would never happen in practice), two Jєωs or two Buddhists could walk into a tribunal, with previous marriages, and could say "can you make a judgment on whether we are free to contract what the Catholic Church would regard as a valid [natural, non-sacramental] marriage or not?".  Again, this would never happen, nobody would ever do that, but theoretically, they could.
Not true.  I knew a Protestant who requested and was granted an annulment.

Remember, the traditional and NO grounds may be different.  Talk to a traditional priest you trust and go from there.

Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2022, 12:14:50 PM »
Yes, they are, because only Rome can grant them. 

A traditional Catholic CAN get an annulment.
From a questionable priest in a questionable tribunal?
Does the hijacked consilliar church still have the authority? By whom?

Re: Is There a Legitimate Way for Trads to get an Annulment?
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2022, 12:20:41 PM »
Not true.  I knew a Protestant who requested and was granted an annulment.

Remember, the traditional and NO grounds may be different.  Talk to a traditional priest you trust and go from there.

I simply meant that it is very difficult to imagine a non-Catholic, with no connection to the Catholic Church, and not seeking to marry a Catholic, going to a diocesan tribunal and asking for a judgment on whether their marriage would be considered valid by the Catholic Church.  One has to ask "what would be the point?".   

There could be exceptions --- the case you cite could be an exception (I couldn't say without knowing more) --- but I have to think it would be highly, highly unusual for a non-Catholic, under the conditions I described above, to want to know, or to care, what the Catholic Church thinks of a marriage they've contracted.  But I suppose anything's possible --- they would be within their rights to inquire, and the Church would be within her rights to render such a judgment.