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Is the SSPX the Super Magisterium
« on: February 16, 2010, 07:59:29 AM »
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  • Madness Writ Large
    by Thomas A. Droleskey

    Catholicism can never be mixed with even the slightest taint of error. It is important to bear this in mind when reviewing the insanity that emanates from the conciliar Vatican. Although the Society of Saint Pius X has done tremendous harm to a true understanding of the charism of infallibility that protects the teaching that Our Blessed Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ has entrusted  exclusively to His Catholic Church for Its eternal safekeeping and infallible explication, contending, among other things, that there is an "authentic magisterium" of "all time" that cannot err and a "governing magisterium" than can make mistakes (which is why there is a "need" for the Society to serve as "super-magisterium" to sift the teaching of true popes and their bishops, a proposition condemned by Pope Pius VI in Auctorem Fidei, August 28, 1794), is always important to remember what the Catholic Church teaches about her being immune from even a "light tarnish of error:"

    As for the rest, We greatly deplore the fact that, where the ravings of human reason extend, there is somebody who studies new things and strives to know more than is necessary, against the advice of the apostle. There you will find someone who is overconfident in seeking the truth outside the Catholic Church, in which it can be found without even a light tarnish of error. Therefore, the Church is called, and is indeed, a pillar and foundation of truth. You correctly understand, venerable brothers, that We speak here also of that erroneous philosophical system which was recently brought in and is clearly to be condemned. This system, which comes from the contemptible and unrestrained desire for innovation, does not seek truth where it stands in the received and holy apostolic inheritance. Rather, other empty doctrines, futile and uncertain doctrines not approved by the Church, are adopted. Only the most conceited men wrongly think that these teachings can sustain and support that truth. (Pope Gregory XVI, Singulari Nos, May 25, 1834.)
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 08:12:19 AM »
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  • Drolesky is in way above his head, as is are you fine sir.


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    « Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 12:07:57 PM »
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    Drolesky is in way above his head, as is are you fine sir.


    Another meaningless comment.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    « Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 12:25:29 PM »
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  • Droleskey is a nice man, but he's no theologian.  If you'll note, he continually misrepresents things and then merely quotes long texts.  This is because he doesn't understand.  He's in over his head and he's angry.  

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    « Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 12:29:26 PM »
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    Droleskey is a nice man, but he's no theologian.  If you'll note, he continually misrepresents things and then merely quotes long texts.  This is because he doesn't understand.  He's in over his head and he's angry.  


    Wow! That's rather vague and meaningless. Maybe you need to get some fresh air yourself, Caminus.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 12:50:40 PM »
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    Droleskey is a nice man, but he's no theologian.


    Is it now necessary to be a theologian merely to make remarks that have a theological element?  There are VERY few in Traddieland who are actual theologians.  So what?  The theologians in Vaticanville seem to be doing a smash up job, don't you think?
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    « Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 12:58:08 PM »
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  • Well, when the real doctors get killed in a horrible accident, and laymen are "forced" to be doctors, don't be surprised when you see some real messed-up doctorin' goin' on!  And quite a few lost patients.

    Of course, that analogy only applies to the results -- I am not implying that there's a necessity for the Faithful to step up and be theologians. In an emergency, ordinary people WOULD have to try to treat wounded and sick people.

    There is a certain aspect in this crisis where Catholics are forced to do "that which seemed right to himself." (Judges 17:6) Which causes quite a bit of chaos.

    Read Judges chapter 17. Doesn't it sound just like many corners of Traddieland today? Totally messed up, but could be blamed on ignorance and the Crisis:

    The history of the idol of Michas, and the young Levite.

    1 There was at that time a man of mount Ephraim whose name was Michas, 2 Who said to his mother: The eleven hundred pieces of silver, which thou hadst put aside for thyself, and concerning which thou didst swear in my hearing, behold I have, and they are with me. And she said to him: Blessed be my son by the Lord. 3 So he restored them to his mother, who said to him: I have consecrated and vowed this silver to the Lord, that my son may receive it at my hand, and make a graven and a molten god, so now I deliver it to thee. 4 And he restored them to his mother: and she took two hundred pieces of silver and gave them to the silversmith, to make of them a graven and a molten god, which was in the house of Michas. 5 And he separated also therein a little temple for the god, and made an ephod, and theraphim, that is to say, a priestly garment, and idols: and he filled the hand of one of his sons, and he became his priest.

    5 "Filled the hand"... That is, appointed and consecrated him to the priestly office.

    6 In those days there was no king in Israel, but every one did that which seemed right to himself. 7 There was also another young man of Bethlehem Juda, of the kindred thereof: and he was a Levite, and dwelt there. 8 Now he went out from the city of Bethlehem, and desired to sojourn wheresoever he should find it convenient for him. And when he was come to mount Ephraim, as he was on his journey, and had turned aside a little into the house of Michas, 9 He was asked by him whence he came. And he answered: I am a Levite of Bethlehem Juda, and I am going to dwell where I can, and where I shall find a place to my advantage. 10 And Michas said: Stay with me, and be unto me a father and a priest, and I will give thee every year ten pieces of silver, and a double suit of apparel, and thy victuals.

    11 He was content, and abode with the man, and was unto him as one of his sons. 12 And Michas filled his hand, and had the young man with him, for his priest, saying: 13 Now I know God will do me good, since I have a priest of the race of the Levites.
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    « Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 12:59:21 PM »
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    Now I know God will do me good, since I have a priest of the race of the Levites.


    This man actually thought he was doing pretty well to have set up a new idol, because he had a Levite priest!

    Objectively in error, but subjectively?
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    « Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 01:03:11 PM »
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    Droleskey is a nice man, but he's no theologian.  If you'll note, he continually misrepresents things and then merely quotes long texts.  This is because he doesn't understand.  He's in over his head and he's angry.  


    angry is true, he has been for some time....when one has habit of invoking 20-30 saints and long passages, it is filler for lacking of thoughts of writer and understanding...it is meant to look smart and be psychologically over-whealming...
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    « Reply #9 on: February 16, 2010, 01:12:55 PM »
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  • in the article, he calls Ratzinger Cardinal, without the quotes arond it, so how-if we ahve no valid Popes-could Ratzinger then be a cardinal? he would have to be in-cardinated after time of P12 and J23...did he forgot to put quotes aroudn the title Cardinal, or was this a slip in thinking? neither? both?
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    « Reply #10 on: February 16, 2010, 01:19:16 PM »
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  • He still links to SGG and articles I think are still at his site about how great, holy and Catholic Cekeda/Dolan are.....speaking of super magisterium and all....
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    « Reply #11 on: February 16, 2010, 01:39:41 PM »
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  • Matthew said:
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    5 And he separated also therein a little temple for the god, and made an ephod, and theraphim, that is to say, a priestly garment, and idols: and he filled the hand of one of his sons, and he became his priest.


    Worshiping idols in an ephod.  Is this Paul VI at the U.N.?  :wink:

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    This man actually thought he was doing pretty well to have set up a new idol, because he had a Levite priest!


    I don't understand the two chunks of text and how they relate. They describe different events, don't they?  In the first Michas makes an idol and temple and anoints one of his sons a priest.  In the second there is no mention of the idol and he makes a wandering Levite into his personal priest.  No mention if the Levite consented to worship the idol or if he drew Michas away from that worship, since he knew his business more than Michas' son.

    In the first passage Michas is like someone in SSPX submitting to the una cuм, worshiphing a heresiarch because there is nothing else around, and in the second he is a home-alone sedevacantist but with a personal priest ( if an orthodox priest came wandering by my old homestead I'd give him room and board too! )  See, we can read lots into this.  But your point that we are confused and scattered remains true.  That has to happen in a time with no real Pope.  If the Church got along just fine without one, what would that say about the very institution of the papacy?

    I need to crack Machabees and read about the "Four False High Priests" that some like the Dimonds believe pertains to the anti-Popes of today.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 16, 2010, 01:55:53 PM »
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    Droleskey is a nice man, but he's no theologian.  If you'll note, he continually misrepresents things and then merely quotes long texts.  This is because he doesn't understand.  He's in over his head and he's angry.  


    Wow! That's rather vague and meaningless. Maybe you need to get some fresh air yourself, Caminus.


    He does misrepresent the authors he is criticizing.  If you can't get their meaning correct in context, then what's his rage and conclusions founded upon?  

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    « Reply #13 on: February 16, 2010, 02:00:41 PM »
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    Droleskey is a nice man, but he's no theologian.  If you'll note, he continually misrepresents things and then merely quotes long texts.  This is because he doesn't understand.  He's in over his head and he's angry.  


    Wow! That's rather vague and meaningless. Maybe you need to get some fresh air yourself, Caminus.


    He does misrepresent the authors he is criticizing.  If you can't get their meaning correct in context, then what's his rage and conclusions founded upon?  


    Can you give an example of the misrepresenting of an author?
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    « Reply #14 on: February 16, 2010, 02:09:57 PM »
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  • Are you serious?  You want me to go back and wade through all of his material?