Nado says:


"Boy do you need some schooling. You are SO far off the mark! "


May therefore, we receive your schooling?

Quote from: Cantarella

Quote from: Capt McQuigg

"Catholics, and Sedes are definitely Catholic because they adhere to the Catholic Faith."

Not only adhering to the Catholic Faith is sufficient. Dogmatically, besides Explicit Faith (cannot be a heretic), there must be a reception of the Sacraments and a submission to the Roman Pontiff (cannot be a schismatic), in order to be a member of the Church.  

Sedes, like protestants, have multiplied into innumerable private sects and home alone phenomenons that have not even agreement among each other.

I would take that to mean to be loyal to ALL popes, not contradict the past popes, as your "pope's" approach has been, including the past conciliar pretenders.  If you think being submissive to these conciLIAR "popes" makes one a Catholic you better go take a look at whoever you are following, because believe me it comes down to this:  Submissive to Francis is opposite of following Christ.  

Remember your argument is sedevacantism is wrong because we are not submissive to the Roman Pontiff, and I beg to differ with you.  We are 100% loyal to True Rome.  Sedevantist does not mean we reject the Papacy, as you well know.  It means TODAY, we defend the Papacy till the Chair can again be filled with a POPE.  

The submission to the Roman Pontiff is not the only issue. Depending on the level of sedevacantism, many sedes are not meeting the second requirement either, in that they are not taking the Sacraments dispensed by the Church as necessary means of Grace & salvation or are taking them from schismatic hands which make the Sacraments invalid, dogmatically according to Trent:

“If anyone say… that those who have not been rightly ordained by ecclesiastical and canonical power and have not been sent [by the Church], but come from some other source [such as a heretical or schismatical source], are lawful ministers of the word and of the sacraments: let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Session XXIII, Canon VII; Denzinger 967).  

 

Canterella noted:

Trent said:

“If anyone say… that those who have not been rightly ordained by ecclesiastical and canonical power and have not been sent [by the Church], but come from some other source [such as a heretical or schismatical source], are lawful ministers of the word and of the sacraments: let him be anathema.” (Council of Trent, Session XXIII, Canon VII; Denzinger 967).  




Vatican 1

"For no one can be in doubt, indeed it was known in every age that the holy and most blessed Peter, prince and head of the apostles, the pillar of faith and the foundation of the catholic church, received the keys of the kingdom from our lord Jesus Christ, the saviour and redeemer of the human race, and that to this day and for ever he lives and presides and exercises judgment in his successors the bishops of the holy Roman see, which he founded and consecrated with his blood "



"So that you may understand that the Church has received the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, hear what the Lord says ... to all His Apostles: "Receive ye the Holy Ghost," and then immediately following: "Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained" (John 20:22-23). These words relate to the keys, of which it had been said: "Whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed in Heaven" (Matthew 16: 19) ...And outside the Church, nothing is loosed ... The charity of the Church which is poured forth in our hearts by the Holy Ghost forgives the sins of those who are partakers of it. Of those who are not partakers, it retains. The grace which comes through the faith of Jesus Christ belongs only to those to whom the faith belongs. He who does not believe remains unhealed."
St. Augustine

This thread is a prime example of dialectic meets rhetoric.  Explanation and analysis meets sloganeering.  Quite typical.  

If only there was an uncorrupted bishop or cardinal who would happily address all of this.  

Such is our times.

Sedevacantism is schismatic.

 :reading:

If only there was an uncorrupted bishop or cardinal who would happily address all of this.

...And therein lies the rub...

Memento states regarding:

If only there was an uncorrupted bishop or cardinal who would happily address all of this.

..And therein lies the rub... "


That is not true at all; that statement is made in a vain attempt to support your failure to consent to simple doctrine that tells that despite the parlous state of the Church, we still have valid Popes:

Irrespective of the state of the Church, God's providence searches out and teaches those who God sees have a docile heart to hear the truth:


Jeremias 23:1-3

"Woe to the pastors, that destroy and tear the sheep of my pasture, saith the Lord. Therefore thus saith the Lord the God of Israel to the pastors that feed my people: You have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold I will visit upon you for the evil of your doings, saith the Lord. And I will gather together the remnant of my flock, out of all the lands into which I have cast them out: and I will make them return to their own fields, and they shall increase and be multiplied."


And this particular providence is very active in our times.


And yet, when clear and simple teaching against for example sedevacantism is presented, what so often do we see?


Isaias 30:9-12

"For it is a people that provoketh to wrath, and lying children, children that will not hear the law of God.  Who say to the seers: See not: and to them that behold: Behold not for us those things that are right: speak unto us pleasant things, see errors for us.
Take away from me the way, turn away the path from me,"


In truth, sedevacantism is yet another rupture and corruption in the church, whether its adherents see it or not.


The fact that the CMRI was founded by Francis Schuckardt -  a man of disgrace, is a simple enough proof:   

Romans 11:16

"For if the firstfruit be holy, so is the lump also: and if the root be holy, so are the branches."


And for those of us who labour in an attempt to bring you out of such a basic and obvious error, your resistance is amazing!
   

Mark 6:6

"And he wondered because of their unbelief."

Quote from: Memento

The peace found in the chapels of SSPX and sedevacantist chapels seems to me reliant on the precept that we are holding fast to traditions.

Like ggreg on previous threads, I too have noticed that SSPX chapels seem to be a lot more peaceful since the departure of Resistance priests, bishop, alleged visionary and amateur exorcist. Another thing I have noticed is that the number of laypeople frequenting SSPX chapels has changed very little since Mgr Fellay and Bishop Williamson parted ways.

The question now is whether the SSPX numbers will grow, or whether it will become a movement that mainly retains second-and-third-generation members.

As for the Resistance, I maintain my initial prediction/criticism that it will eventually be absorbed into various degrees of sedevacantism--in large part because sedevacantist chapels tend to be more stable, more peaceful, and more widely available.

Yup.  Sedevacantism will grow.  It's one of my predictions.  

People like an easy out.

Quote from: Pete Vere

As for the Resistance, I maintain my initial prediction/criticism that it will eventually be absorbed into various degrees of sedevacantism--in large part because sedevacantist chapels tend to be more stable, more peaceful, and more widely available.

Yup.  Sedevacantism will grow.  It's one of my predictions.  

People like an easy out.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with sedevacantism--and I strongly disagree with it--the theory at least offers a theological rationale sourced to various pre-Vatican II expressions of Catholic Tradition. These sources include Popes, Patristics and Doctors of the Church. Now whether sedevacantism interprets them correctly or not is open to debate, but sedevacantism makes an attempt to cite Traditional Catholic sources of theology and practice.

In contrast, we are seeing that much of the Resistance position is built on emotional attachments and reactions, conspiracy theories, and various alleged or questionable apparitions. This is why there is very little peace in Resistance chapels. This is also likely why Mgr Fellay has maintained the support of the vast majority of SSPX laity after expelling Bishop Williamson. Likely the only reason the Resistance has not fractured into various rival sects fighting each other is because Bishop Williamson has not consecrated new bishops.