Author Topic: Is the Conciliar, "Cardinal Burke resistance" for real? (Read 2075 times)

Incredulous · « **on:** November 21, 2016, 09:08:16 AM »

Virtual reality being so prevalent, we cynically have to question, is this real or not?

Poll to close on Nov 30th, Feast of St. Andrew.

LifeSiteNews said:
BREAKING: In wake of 4 Cardinals letter, Pope Francis rebukes ‘legalism’ of Amoris Laetitia critics

November 18, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – Pope Francis has criticized the "legalism" of Catholics raising concern about his apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia mere days after four cardinals went public with their request that he clarify it.

“Some, as with certain responses to Amoris Laetitia, persist in seeing only white or black, when rather one ought to discern in the flow of life," Pope Francis said in an interview with Avvenire. "But these critiques – if they’re not from an evil spirit – do help. Some types of rigorism spring from the desire to hide one’s own dissatisfaction under armour."

On Monday, Cardinals Raymond Burke, Joachim Meisner, Walter Brandmüller, and Carlo Caffarra published a letter asking Pope Francis to answer five "yes or no" questions which would immediately clarify the meaning of the confusion-plagued docuмent on points where theologians, priests, and even bishops have offered contradicting interpretations.

Their September 19, 2016 letter, called a "dubia," went unanswered, so the cardinals released it to the faithful with a note explaining their concerns.

Pope Francis took the unusual step this week of cancelling a scheduled meeting with the world's cardinals at this weekend's consistory. He will officially make a handful of bishops, including three Americans, cardinals this weekend.

According to the National Catholic Register's Ed Pentin, sources have told him Pope Francis is "not happy at all" and "boiling with rage.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #1 on:** November 21, 2016, 09:27:25 AM »

I think that Burke is sincere in being troubled by this issue (i.e. not a conscious "actor"), but this movement is nonsensical because they ignore the myriad other doctrinal errors that have been taught for the past 50 years. JP2 was a strong conservative on most moral issues, but he undermined doctrine so badly when it came to religious indifferentism, ecclesiology, and EENS ... that the Magisterium became no longer recognizable as Catholic. And this is what finally catches these guys' attention?

jen51 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 21, 2016, 10:57:33 AM »

I believe Cardinal Burke to be utterly sincere. If you listen to him speak, read what he writes, it seems abundantly clear. I've never had the impression he gives two straws about putting on a show or only speaking out when he knows he has support.
I can say there are many other things I wish he and other bishops and cardinals would take public issue with, but I don't doubt his sincerity about this matter or his love and duty towards the Church.

poche · « **Reply #3 on:** November 22, 2016, 05:57:41 AM »

From the Code of Canon Law;

§3. No appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

TKGS · « **Reply #4 on:** November 22, 2016, 09:32:20 AM »

Quote from: poche

From the Code of Canon Law;

§3. No appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

:shocked: On no! It's déjà vu all over again!

Charlemagne · « **Reply #5 on:** November 22, 2016, 11:29:56 AM »

"But these critiques – if they’re not from an evil spirit – do help. Some types of rigorism spring from the desire to hide one’s own dissatisfaction under armour."

Is this guy for real? Pope Marxist I continues with his BS. "Blah-blah-blah..." Charlie Brown's teacher makes more sense than this guy. He's like a dog who likes to bark just to hear himself.

Incredulous · « **Reply #6 on:** November 22, 2016, 05:41:36 PM »

Quote from: TKGS

Quote from: poche
From the Code of Canon Law;

§3. No appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

:shocked: On no! It's déjà vu all over again!

Why are Cathinfo trads mean to Poche ? :scratchchin:

TKGS · « **Reply #7 on:** November 22, 2016, 05:55:53 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: poche
From the Code of Canon Law;

§3. No appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

:shocked: On no! It's déjà vu all over again!

Why are Cathinfo trads mean to Poche ? :scratchchin:

No one is being mean to poche. The problem is that poche frequently posts completely irrelevant and often stupid comments.

OHCA · « **Reply #8 on:** November 22, 2016, 09:04:40 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: TKGS
Quote from: poche
From the Code of Canon Law;

§3. No appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

:shocked: On no! It's déjà vu all over again!

Why are Cathinfo trads mean to Poche ? :scratchchin:

Poche is a modernist whose mission is to convert us heretics and schismatics to "Catholcism." He clearly has a mission. He is sly, mealy-mouthed, and effeminate in his manner of pursuing his mission. But make no mistake--he has a mission.

This post of his, though not utterly outrageous, should be sufficient to show that he is a modernist--not a modernist sympathizer--but rather wholly a modernist, and his ploy here is to convert us. This post should result in him being banned. But I expect he will be able to proceed on in his fαɢɢօty effeminate methods toward his goal of evangelizing us.

Incredulous · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2016, 10:45:47 PM »

Oh man... :scratchchin:

Could Poche really be a stealth psy-ops warrior from the xSPX, who assignment is to wear us down?

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2016, 11:31:20 PM »

Quote from: poche

From the Code of Canon Law;

§3. No appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

That would work if he were actually the pope, but he isn't.

poche · « **Reply #11 on:** November 23, 2016, 03:45:30 AM »

Quote from: Charlemagne

"But these critiques – if they’re not from an evil spirit – do help. Some types of rigorism spring from the desire to hide one’s own dissatisfaction under armour."

Is this guy for real? Pope Marxist I continues with his BS. "Blah-blah-blah..." Charlie Brown's teacher makes more sense than this guy. He's like a dog who likes to bark just to hear himself.

When the angel told Mary that she was to be the Mother of God, she did ask, "How will this be, since I have not known man?"

Incredulous · « **Reply #12 on:** November 23, 2016, 06:15:23 AM »

A Marxist Pope... what a contradiction?

It means a man who is anti-family, anti-property and anti-God.

It cannot be. He is either not a marxist... or not Pope.

Very logical, very simple. That's what it means be the definitions of the words.

Jovita · « **Reply #13 on:** November 23, 2016, 08:00:25 AM »

Quote from: JezusDeKoning

That would work if he were actually the pope, but he isn't.

I have secular friends who wonder why we have two Pope's currently. Even they see this as irregular, as Pope Benedict is still around. They question if he has been usurped and 'imprisoned'. Can only agree with them.

Charlemagne · « **Reply #14 on:** November 23, 2016, 12:10:41 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

A Marxist Pope... what a contradiction?

It means a man who is anti-family, anti-property and anti-God.

It cannot be. He is either not a marxist... or not Pope.

Very logical, very simple. That's what it means be the definitions of the words.

My point exactly. There are none so blind as those who will not see.