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Offline Stubborn

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Is the CMRI schismatic?
« Reply #80 on: November 24, 2014, 05:06:23 PM »
Quote from: Nado

Receiving a valid sacrament from a non-Catholic is normally sinful by ecclesiastical law, unless there is a proportionately good reason in an extraordinary circuмstance, then it becomes necessary and good. It is by the virtue of epikeia that the letter of law can be broken to maintain the essential spirit of the law. The most prominent example is baptism, and the next most common is confession (in danger of death).

In an extreme situation where the validity of the priesthood is stake, and thus a threat of extinction of the Sacraments, the priesthood can likewise be conferred by a non-Catholic. This is what the CMRI did with Brown. It was merely for the Sacraments and had nothing to do with approval of the Old Catholics and their tenets. Mistaken or not, the attempt had the color of legitimacy in this unprecedented, virtually unforeseen crisis. A mistake in such an extraordinary circuмstance doesn't equal schism.

An analogous situation is this: the moral theologians teach that incest is a mortal sin. Yet they teach that in a circuмstance where the human race is facing extinction, it would be good and lawful for brother and sister to get married and have children. Now, it is certainly difficult in such a case to truly know whether the human race, world-wide, is truly facing extinction, and if a mistake is made, the Church is as merciful as Our Lord is. Jansenists and Pharisee-types would have no mercy and condemn the mistake with the most rigorous charge possible by quoting books about the horror and grievousness of incest.


The sad part is that this debauched post is what is offered as a type of authentic reasoning, representative of what was used to justify why it can be OK to break from the Church start your own. Sadder yet, nada presumably doesn't even realize that it's above formula attempts to justify precisely that.


Is the CMRI schismatic?
« Reply #81 on: November 24, 2014, 06:19:02 PM »
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Quote from: 2Vermont


Do you believe in Adam and Eve? If so, how do you think the world was populated?

Also, why do think that Nado is female?


Unreal.

God permitted it in order to populate the world from one man and one woman.

After God decided there was no longer any need for that, he put an end to it and declared incest a grievous sin.

Now you would would be so bold as to have God accept a terrible sin for the sake of repopulating the earth?  Well, I suppose that when it comes right down to it, that makes just as much sense as making an abjuration just in case you really ever were in error , then deciding on your own that your sin of schism is forgiven, then call yourself Catholic, start a community and seminary, ordain priests and bishops, and have them call themselves Catholic - and see how many other fools you can get to not only go along with you, but also to defend and do your recruiting for you.

 :facepalm: <---- should be 10x bigger





Actually, if the world came down to one man and one woman again, who are you to decide that God would not find the need again?


 


Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #82 on: November 25, 2014, 02:45:46 AM »
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Do you believe in Adam and Eve? If so, how do you think the world was populated?

Also, why do think that Nado is female?


Unreal.

God permitted it in order to populate the world from one man and one woman.

After God decided there was no longer any need for that, he put an end to it and declared incest a grievous sin.

Now you would would be so bold as to have God accept a terrible sin for the sake of repopulating the earth?  Well, I suppose that when it comes right down to it, that makes just as much sense as making an abjuration just in case you really ever were in error , then deciding on your own that your sin of schism is forgiven, then call yourself Catholic, start a community and seminary, ordain priests and bishops, and have them call themselves Catholic - and see how many other fools you can get to not only go along with you, but also to defend and do your recruiting for you.

 :facepalm: <---- should be 10x bigger





Actually, if the world came down to one man and one woman again, who are you to decide that God would not find the need again?


 


Actually, I am nobody to decide and haven't and wouldn't, but it (he/she?) already has since it (he/she) can conjure up theologians to support it's (his/her) cause that would go to the length of making the sin of incest not only not a sin, but virtuous, i.e "good and lawful".

Tell us what becomes of all those souls in hell who've perhaps been there for thousands of years who died guilty of that sin?

The same perverse theology(?) used as justification for populating the world, is used to make schism "good and lawful". That is what that whole post was all about. That is all that whole post - and all +100 related posts nada made is all about.

To make the statement noda made is not something a Catholic would ever even make because it is offensive to the Catholic mind.

What it does is offer yet another glimpse into what goes on in the mind of a schismatic, how they pervert and twist whatever needs twisting, even to the point of explicitly preaching that sin is not sin in order for schism to not be schism, to not be sinful, for schism to be right, good and lawful.

That's what her postings are about.



Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2014, 05:49:55 AM »
Haydock commentary; Gen 4:17 His wife. She was a daughter of Adam, and Cain's own sister; God dispensing with such marriages in the beginning of the world, as mankind could not otherwise be propagated.

Then in Leviticus chapter 18, God put an end to that dispensation when he made the new laws which He gave to Moses, so from that time on, God said of incest:  Every soul that shall commit any of these abominations, shall perish from the midst of his people.

From that moment till the end of the world, incest will never be anything but an abomination. Your post is referencing abomination as justification for schism. What's worse is someone actually upthumbed it.




 



Offline Capt McQuigg

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« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2014, 09:17:54 AM »
2Vermont should tell you guy's all about Lot and his daughters for the real low down.