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Is the CMRI schismatic?
« Reply #70 on: November 24, 2014, 12:28:12 PM »
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Okay, so you say Schuckardt was schismatic because of his ordination/consecration, and that it extended to Fr. Chicoine for attempting to be ordained by the same man.

Do you extend being schismatic to the others who approved and participated? Why, or why not?


Schuckardt was certainly in schism because first, he left the Church - second, after he left the Church, he then started his own "Religious Community" as the CMRI website describes it.

Schuckardt, who already started his Religious Community, started to grow his Religious Community after he was ordained and consecrated by a schismatic bishop (Daniel Brown) whose episcopal lineage is traced back to a bishop that was excommunicated by Pope Pius X himself. Correct me if I'm wrong but that being the case, everyone that is ordained/consecrated from that entire lineage is also excommunicated, therefore in schism.

There is a lot more to it, but no sense in proceeding any further until the above is understood.

 

 

 


Not only the CMRI cult was founded by a "charismatic" and scandalous Schuckard but at current time, the reason why CMRI is schismatic is because of withdrawal from the Roman Pontiff. They have decided on their own that there is no Pope, which "certainty" can only be based upon private judgment as the Church has not declared sede vacante. They operate just as another puritanical Protestant sect that respond to no Catholic ecclesiastical authority but an alone illicit bishop somewhere, if that. They have made a personal opinion a dogma of the Faith and fall under the second category of schism: refusal to submit to the visible reigning Pope, the Bishop of Rome.

They justify themselves saying that Rome is the one that is in schism as all schismatics do since time immemorial. The Eastern Orthodox to this day claim that it is Rome and not themselves who are in schism from the True Church since 1054.

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« Reply #71 on: November 24, 2014, 02:30:13 PM »
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Quote from: Stubborn
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Okay, so you say Schuckardt was schismatic because of his ordination/consecration, and that it extended to Fr. Chicoine for attempting to be ordained by the same man.

Do you extend being schismatic to the others who approved and participated? Why, or why not?


Schuckardt was certainly in schism because first, he left the Church - second, after he left the Church, he then started his own "Religious Community" as the CMRI website describes it.

Schuckardt, who already started his Religious Community, started to grow his Religious Community after he was ordained and consecrated by a schismatic bishop (Daniel Brown) whose episcopal lineage is traced back to a bishop that was excommunicated by Pope Pius X himself. Correct me if I'm wrong but that being the case, everyone that is ordained/consecrated from that entire lineage is also excommunicated, therefore in schism.

There is a lot more to it, but no sense in proceeding any further until the above is understood.

 


Receiving a valid sacrament from a non-Catholic is normally sinful by ecclesiastical law, unless there is a proportionately good reason in an extraordinary circuмstance, then it becomes necessary and good. It is by the virtue of epikeia that the letter of law can be broken to maintain the essential spirit of the law. The most prominent example is baptism, and the next most common is confession (in danger of death).

In an extreme situation where the validity of the priesthood is stake, and thus a threat of extinction of the Sacraments, the priesthood can likewise be conferred by a non-Catholic. This is what the CMRI did with Brown. It was merely for the Sacraments and had nothing to do with approval of the Old Catholics and their tenets. Mistaken or not, the attempt had the color of legitimacy in this unprecedented, virtually unforeseen crisis. A mistake in such an extraordinary circuмstance doesn't equal schism.

An analogous situation is this: the moral theologians teach that incest is a mortal sin. Yet they teach that in a circuмstance where the human race is facing extinction, it would be good and lawful for brother and sister to get married and have children. Now, it is certainly difficult in such a case to truly know whether the human race, world-wide, is truly facing extinction, and if a mistake is made, the Church is as merciful as Our Lord is. Jansenists and Pharisee-types would have no mercy and condemn the mistake with the most rigorous charge possible by quoting books about the horror and grievousness of incest.


I don't know where to even start with this. This is tragically sad.

Have you ever heard the old saying: Two wrongs don't make a right?

Once again, I offer historical facts, you offer your opinion, which is so perverted I find myself in awe. What you base your opinion on God only knows, whatever you base your opinion on is certainly not Catholic.
 
FYI, since the time that Our Lord instituted of the Sacrament of Matrimony, and even before that in the Old Testament, the sin of incest will  never be good and lawful - never. Here, start at verse 6.

Whatever im"moral theologians" you follow, run, don't walk away from them.



 


Is the CMRI schismatic?
« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2014, 03:38:40 PM »
Quote from: Nado


An analogous situation is this: the moral theologians teach that incest is a mortal sin. Yet they teach that in a circuмstance where the human race is facing extinction, it would be good and lawful for brother and sister to get married and have children. Now, it is certainly difficult in such a case to truly know whether the human race, world-wide, is truly facing extinction, and if a mistake is made, the Church is as merciful as Our Lord is. Jansenists and Pharisee-types would have no mercy and condemn the mistake with the most rigorous charge possible by quoting books about the horror and grievousness of incest.


This is what happens when yet another barely literate sedevacantist has an internet connection.

So enlighten us Nado, who exactly are the Catholic moral theologians that justify incest?

Must say, though that Nado has become a very entertaining poster. Have to give her that!. Her utter ignorance combined with an innate inability to stop sprouting imprudent non sense are very comical. She just does not know when to stop! It surely keeps the threads alive.







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« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2014, 03:53:08 PM »
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Must say, though that Nado has become a very entertaining poster. Have to give her that!. Her utter ignorance combined with an innate inability to stop sprouting imprudent non sense are very comical. She just does not know when to stop! It surely keeps the threads alive.


Yes, now that Ambrose and LoT have stopped "contributing" to BoD threads, and Myrna / Emerentiana were in over their heads to begin with, they had to dispatch another CMRI-bot to continue trolling against the EENS dogma, to "take over driving" as Emerentiana put it.

Is the CMRI schismatic?
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2014, 03:53:46 PM »
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Quote from: Nado


An analogous situation is this: the moral theologians teach that incest is a mortal sin. Yet they teach that in a circuмstance where the human race is facing extinction, it would be good and lawful for brother and sister to get married and have children. Now, it is certainly difficult in such a case to truly know whether the human race, world-wide, is truly facing extinction, and if a mistake is made, the Church is as merciful as Our Lord is. Jansenists and Pharisee-types would have no mercy and condemn the mistake with the most rigorous charge possible by quoting books about the horror and grievousness of incest.


This is what happens when yet another barely literate sedevacantist has an internet connection.

So enlighten us Nado, who exactly are the Catholic moral theologians that justify incest?

Must say, though that Nado has become a very entertaining poster. Have to give her that!. Her utter ignorance combined with an innate inability to stop sprouting imprudent non sense are very comical. She just does not know when to stop! It surely keeps the threads alive.








Do you believe in Adam and Eve? If so, how do you think the world was populated?

Also, why do think that Nado is female?