Author Topic: Is the CMRI schismatic? (Read 64278 times)

Stubborn · « **Reply #120 on:** December 04, 2014, 01:20:25 PM »

That the CMRI is schismatic has been proven, your head is too busy spinning every post around to have noticed.

APS · « **Reply #121 on:** December 04, 2014, 02:10:22 PM »

I have another angle to view this as this thread seems to be stuck in name calling. Bp. Duarte Costa of Brazil was excommunicated by name in 1946 (Vitandus). He claims that he was railroaded, but decided to make up his own Brazilian National Church. His initial bishop whom he consecrated was reconciled with John XXIII, given a Titular See and even participated in Vatican II, despite having a wife and kids. My question to you is if Salomão Barbosa Ferraz was able to help create a schismatic Church, teach heresy, break the ancient laws of celibacy and become legitimate in the eyes of the Post-Conciliar Church. Isn't it fair to say that the CMRI could wait for a Pope and be reconciled and be just a non-schimatic as Bp Ferraz?

Stubborn · « **Reply #122 on:** December 04, 2014, 02:43:47 PM »

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That the CMRI is schismatic has been proven, your head is too busy spinning every post around to have noticed.

You live in a fantasy world of stubbornness. I was talking about proving that your use of the word "stubborn" is traditional.

As for schism, I asked you straight out some time ago whether you accused them of being in schism, and you squirmed all over to say you never made the accusation. Now suddenly you say it was proven? You are a mess.

As I said, you can't keep on topic for two posts, but regardless, it has been proven.

Stubborn · « **Reply #123 on:** December 04, 2014, 02:47:42 PM »

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I have another angle to view this as this thread seems to be stuck in name calling. Bp. Duarte Costa of Brazil was excommunicated by name in 1946 (Vitandus). He claims that he was railroaded, but decided to make up his own Brazilian National Church. His initial bishop whom he consecrated was reconciled with John XXIII, given a Titular See and even participated in Vatican II, despite having a wife and kids. My question to you is if Salomão Barbosa Ferraz was able to help create a schismatic Church, teach heresy, break the ancient laws of celibacy and become legitimate in the eyes of the Post-Conciliar Church. Isn't it fair to say that the CMRI could wait for a Pope and be reconciled and be just a non-schimatic as Bp Ferraz?

To Schuckardt, the gates of hell had prevailed and the Church was about to fall at any moment - but thankfully, an Old Catholic schismatic managed to out survive the Church to ordain and consecrate him. The CMRI officially trace their lineage back to this man.

APS · « **Reply #124 on:** December 04, 2014, 03:09:13 PM »

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I have another angle to view this as this thread seems to be stuck in name calling. Bp. Duarte Costa of Brazil was excommunicated by name in 1946 (Vitandus). He claims that he was railroaded, but decided to make up his own Brazilian National Church. His initial bishop whom he consecrated was reconciled with John XXIII, given a Titular See and even participated in Vatican II, despite having a wife and kids. My question to you is if Salomão Barbosa Ferraz was able to help create a schismatic Church, teach heresy, break the ancient laws of celibacy and become legitimate in the eyes of the Post-Conciliar Church. Isn't it fair to say that the CMRI could wait for a Pope and be reconciled and be just a non-schimatic as Bp Ferraz?

To Schuckardt, the gates of hell had prevailed and the Church was about to fall at any moment - but thankfully, an Old Catholic schismatic managed to out survive the Church to ordain and consecrate him. The CMRI officially trace their lineage back to this man.

To be fair all the priest of the CMRI have been conditionally ordained by Bp Musey (correct me if I am wrong). To my knowledge Schukardt had nothing to do with the CMRI for a quarter of century. If I did not know any better I would believe that you have an ax to grind with them. But you quoted my post wouldn't it be more appropriate to see if CMRI under circuмstance could be non-schismatic. I think there are alot of parallels from Church history to say that CMRI are not schismatic.