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Are the teachings of the Universal Ordinary Magesterium infallible?

Yes
22 (71%)
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0 (0%)
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Other
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Total Members Voted: 28

Voting closed: September 29, 2022, 04:57:29 PM

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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #70 on: September 22, 2022, 05:21:53 PM »
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 22, 2022, 05:04:45 PM
Frankly Meg, the only thing that I can see that saves you from abandonment of the Catholic Faith, is your crass ignorance. Basically you are a Gallican. You believe in the church of the superfluous pope, I believe in a Church in which the pope (Saint Peter) confirms his brethren. I love the papacy, you have disdain for it and sully it. I have undying respect for the pope and his office, you ignore it and assert your authority as superior to it. Yes, we are different, I love the Church, I love the Pope (and the papacy), and I love the Faith.

Meg: “Well said. I learned the Catholic Faith from a priest of the SSPX, as well as older catechisms, and the old Angelqueen forum. Certainly not from any pope. Though I did learn a thing or two from Bp. Williamson and +ABL. But normally, it seems that we are supposed to learn the Faith at a local level, from family and our parish/chapel. Before the Vll council, how many Catholics really paid that much attention to the Pope?”

Honestly, who can deny that if we traveled back in time to 1950, my statement above would undoubtedly be recognized as coming from the pen of a Catholic, while the one below would be thought to have been written by a resentful Protestant. Think about that.
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Offline Meg

Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #71 on: September 22, 2022, 05:47:04 PM »
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 22, 2022, 05:21:53 PM
Meg: “Well said. I learned the Catholic Faith from a priest of the SSPX, as well as older catechisms, and the old Angelqueen forum. Certainly not from any pope. Though I did learn a thing or two from Bp. Williamson and +ABL. But normally, it seems that we are supposed to learn the Faith at a local level, from family and our parish/chapel. Before the Vll council, how many Catholics really paid that much attention to the Pope?”

Honestly, who can deny that if we traveled back in time to 1950, my statement above would undoubtedly be recognized as coming from the pen of a Catholic, while the one below would be thought to have been written by a resentful Protestant. Think about that.

You choose to think my statement is protestant (that's your choice) - but at least I believe that we have a pope. You do not. You are popeless. Who's the protestant now?
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2022, 06:15:08 PM »
Quote from: Meg on September 22, 2022, 05:47:04 PM
You choose to think my statement is protestant (that's your choice) - but at least I believe that we have a pope. You do not. You are popeless. 
Yeah, the Coptic Orthodox have a pope too, who is no more legitimate than Francis, outside of the fact that he at least has valid Holy Orders.

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Who's the protestant now?
The one who picks and chooses what doctrines to follow.
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Offline Meg

Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2022, 06:18:27 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 22, 2022, 06:15:08 PM
Yeah, the Coptic Orthodox have a pope too, who is no more legitimate than Francis, outside of the fact that he at least has valid Holy Orders.
The one who picks and chooses what doctrines to follow.

....And the one who makes up his own doctrines to follow, too.

There is no doctrine which states that Catholics are obligated to decide who is or who is not the Pope. We do not decide this for ourselves. It is outside of our perview. 
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #74 on: September 22, 2022, 06:22:45 PM »
Quote from: Meg on September 22, 2022, 06:18:27 PM
....And the one who makes up his own doctrines to follow, too.
Yeah, like picking and choosing which doctrines in the Ordinary Magisterium to follow. Like you do.

A positive doubt about the validity of one's orders is not a doctrine. Therefore, avoiding those with doubtful orders is prudence, not generation of doctrine. Plus, it's one that would extend to the SSPX and Resistance as well, otherwise why would they conditionally ordain former NO "priests"?

Quote from: Meg on September 22, 2022, 06:18:27 PM
There is no doctrine which states that Catholics are obligated to decide who is or who is not the Pope. We do not decide this for ourselves. It is outside of our purview.
Right, but Catholics are expected to identify other legitimate Catholics. And it is a doctrine that it is necessary that one is baptized and profess the true Faith in order to be a Catholic. Francis is certainly baptized, but he does not profess the true Faith.
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