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Are the teachings of the Universal Ordinary Magesterium infallible?

Yes
22 (71%)
No
0 (0%)
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4 (12.9%)
Other
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Total Members Voted: 28

Voting closed: September 29, 2022, 04:57:29 PM

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Offline Meg

Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #75 on: September 22, 2022, 06:26:19 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 22, 2022, 06:22:45 PM
Yeah, like picking and choosing which doctrines in the Ordinary Magisterium to follow. Like you do.

A positive doubt about the validity of one's orders is not a doctrine. Therefore, avoiding those with doubtful orders is prudence, not generation of doctrine. Plus, it's one that would extend to the SSPX and Resistance as well, otherwise why would they conditionally ordain former NO "priests"?
Right, but Catholics are expected to identify other legitimate Catholics. And it is a doctrine that it is necessary that one is baptized and profess the true Faith in order to be a Catholic. Francis is certainly baptized, but he does not profess the true Faith.

We do not decide as to the legitimacy of the Pope. That is not Catholic. If it were, there would be doctrine that addresses it. But there isn't any. 
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #76 on: September 22, 2022, 06:29:56 PM »
Quote from: Meg on September 22, 2022, 06:26:19 PM
We do not decide as to the legitimacy of the Pope. That is not Catholic. If it were, there would be doctrine that addresses it. But there isn't any.
Meg, you're presupposing that he is the Pope to begin with. You'd have a point if there were no doubts about that; but there are, which is why my position exists.
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Offline Meg

Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2022, 06:31:20 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 22, 2022, 06:29:56 PM
Meg, you're presupposing that he is the Pope to begin with. You'd have a point if there were no doubts about that; but there are, which is why my position exists.

I have a point because there is no church teaching that allows for laymen deciding the legitimacy of a pope. 
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2022, 06:34:51 PM »
Quote from: Meg on September 22, 2022, 06:31:20 PM
I have a point because there is no church teaching that allows for laymen deciding the legitimacy of a pope.
Catholic principles allow for it. See my previous post:

Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 22, 2022, 06:22:45 PM
Right, but Catholics are expected to identify other legitimate Catholics. And it is a doctrine that it is necessary that one is baptized and profess the true Faith in order to be a Catholic. Francis is certainly baptized, but he does not profess the true Faith.

That being said, Catholics also do not have the right to pick and choose what doctrines of the Ordinary Magisterium to follow either.
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Offline Meg

Re: Is the Catholic Magisterium Infallible?
« Reply #79 on: September 22, 2022, 06:37:55 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 22, 2022, 06:34:51 PM
Catholic principles allow for it. See my previous post:

That being said, Catholics also do not have the right to pick and choose what doctrines of the Ordinary Magisterium to follow either.

Well then, we are at an impasse. 
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