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Author Topic: Is Sutter Home Table Wine OK to Use for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?  (Read 2874 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Does the addition of bacteria for a "second fermentation" affect the requirement for pure, natural, and unadulterated wine made from grapes?
The bacteria/yeast is essential for making wine, because without fermentation, all you have is grape juice.  In my opinion, the number of fermentations wouldn't affect the essence of the wine.

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Stupid question, maybe, but in a pinch, could someone not simply press grapes, run the juice through a filter to remove matter (such as a coffee filter), and set it aside for a few days, long enough for fermentation to start (though it wouldn't get very far)?

It wouldn't be of high quality, but to my mind, it would indeed be wine.  And it would have no preservatives.
I'll bet the Church has covered this, as far as the minimum # of days of fermentation and minimum % of alcohol content.  But I don't know.

I doubt preservatives would invalidate wine, because it doesn't affect the grapes or essence of the alcohol but just keeps it "shelf safe", stops fermentation, and prevents the wine from turning into vinegar.

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"In Kansas City, Naumann noted that many commercially available wines 'contain additives such as elderberry extract, sugars, alcohol, etc' -- all of which could render the wine invalid matter."
These additives affect the grape juice and the essence of the wine and I think that "mass wine" must be 100% (or very high) of grape juice.


"Wine making process includes partial malolactic fermentation and wood aging followed by stainless steel aging to finish":  https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sutter-Home-Chardonnay-White-Wine-4-Pack-187-ml-Bottles/14053294

Does the addition of bacteria for a "second fermentation" affect the requirement for pure, natural, and unadulterated wine made from grapes?
This is a common practice for red wines and some white wines.  These malolactic producing bacteria are already found naturally in wine, so the inoculation with a specific strain wouldn't seem to be a problem.

 The same principle goes for the addition of a small amount of sulfites.  The sulfites are allowed to be added since they already naturally occur in grapes.

Stupid question, maybe, but in a pinch, could someone not simply press grapes, run the juice through a filter to remove matter (such as a coffee filter), and set it aside for a few days, long enough for fermentation to start (though it wouldn't get very far)?

It wouldn't be of high quality, but to my mind, it would indeed be wine.  And it would have no preservatives.

Put another way, how could it be invalid matter?
It needs to get to 8% alcohol to qualify as wine.

That being said, it WOULD be valid but illicit if it was not at least 8% alcohol.

Freshly pressed grape juice is valid but gravely illicit to use outside of necessity.

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It needs to get to 8% alcohol to qualify as wine.

That being said, it WOULD be valid, but illicit if it was not at least 8% alcohol.

 Freshly pressed grape juice is valid but gravely illicit to use outside of necessity.
Good info.  Thank you.