Author Topic: Is Sedevacantism Pope-Sifting? (Read 5891 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2015, 09:09:41 AM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

B. Gratuitous Assertions

The first two of Mr. Szijarto’s statements quoted above are gratuitous. Where, for instance, is the list of authorities who support his sweeping universal statement that Catholics “have no right” to “determine” (i.e., conclude) that a deposition has taken place? Where are all the canonists who have said with Mr. Szijarto that a “determination” from the Universal Church would have to come before an individual Catholic could arrive at the conclusion “criteriologically”? — whatever that means.

Yet another moronic statement. I'm actually dumbfounded by this lack of basic intelligence (or complete dishonesty). I opened the ESSAY with a SUMMARY of the thesis. Uhm, aren't we taught in composition class to summarize the paper up front and then elaborate in the body? In point of fact, the ENTIRE body of the ESSAY is dedicated to making arguments and citing authorities in order to back up this central thesis.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #11 on:** June 12, 2015, 09:31:54 AM »

I see that I get two automatic downthumbs from the rabid SVs with every post. Why not try to actually address each point, eh?

TKGS · « **Reply #12 on:** June 12, 2015, 09:37:02 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

This despite the fact that I cited a theologian writing at the time of Pius XII who said that considering (making the "determination") Pius XII to be illegitimate would constitute HERESY.

I would still be interested in knowing who was questioning the validity of Pope Pius XII during his reign, who this cardinal was (you only provided who you "thought" it might have been), and where the condemnation was actually published in the 1950s.

It's just that I would think such a docuмent would have been highly publicized by now as it seems to be devastating to the sedevacantist thesis, and it just seems strange that the only person, seemingly, in the world that has ever read the docuмent is our very own Ladislaus.

By the way, you have never cited this theologian's writings. You have made a vague reference to this theological treatise that you say you remember reading which no other anti-sedevacantist apologist has read. I don't doubt your sincerity that you truly believe what you are saying, but I do doubt that such a docuмent, written in the 1950s, actually exists or, if it does exist, actually says, in context, exactly what you read into it.

Please do not claim to have "cited" something unless you actually provide a citation.

TKGS · « **Reply #13 on:** June 12, 2015, 10:13:25 AM »

Quote from: Bellator Dei

When you constantly refer to sedevacantists as "rabid, foaming at the mouth" people, you shouldn't be surprised about the down thumbs. However, I would much prefer to see folks contribute to the conversation as opposed to the ol' hit n' run down thumb.

I see this kind of thought expressed quite often on CathInfo. Where do so many people get the idea that those who clicks the "Thumbs Down" never contribute to the conversation? I never hear anyone complain that people who click the "Thumbs Up" didn't contribute their thoughts.

By the way, I generally click the "Thumbs Down" on posts I see complaining about getting a "Thumbs Down".

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #14 on:** June 12, 2015, 10:36:06 AM »

The down thumbs might be due to the calumny of a Catholic priest. Calling Fr. Cekada, a Catholic priest, a "buffoon", "idiotic", "moronic", "lack of basic intelligence (or complete dishonesty)" is unjust. He is in fact extremely intelligent. We might not agree with everything he says or does but he is none of the things you accuse him of. I did not down thumb anything in this thread, yet, but maybe I should. I hate the anonymous thumbing feature. It is the source of a lot of anger and misunderstanding. I try only to use the up thumb and I only use the down thumb to mark extremely unjust or uncharitable comments. I make it a point not to use the thumb feature simply to disagree with someone.

By the way, you can ask Griff Ruby to take down your incomplete rebuttal. He is a reasonable and charitable guy. If you explain to him that you did not give permission to post it, I'm sure he will take it down.